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    Re: Springer's are here

    Quote Originally Posted by salmonid View Post
    Possibly on every river that has both spring and fall run fish.
    Doesnt seem to be an issue on the Columbia and tribs though?
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    Re: Springer's are here

    Quote Originally Posted by IronClad View Post
    I'm guessing this is why we get weirdo small runs of fish up the feather at all times of the year ?
    Possibly on every river that has both spring and fall run fish.
    Here they come!

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    Re: Springer's are here

    Quote Originally Posted by salmonid View Post
    Drifter, IC and QAR are right.

    I think the Feather river hatchery is marking the springers that come early with a tag. They can spawn those tagged fish later to generate a pure springer strain.

    Salmon are diploid like humans. They get one chromosome set from the buck and one from the hen. The spring Chinook versus the fall Chinook are determined by one gene. There are two versions of the gene- one is early and the other is late. If a fish has two copies of the early gene its a springer and comes back early. If a fish has two versions of late allele it comes back in the fall. However if the fish has one version of the early variant and another is the fall version, the fish comes back in the summer.

    Its a simple genetic issue that has implications for wild and hatchery Chinook.
    I'm guessing this is why we get weirdo small runs of fish up the feather at all times of the year ?

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    Re: Springer's are here

    Quote Originally Posted by Nor_Cal_Drifter View Post
    How would they de-hybridize them though?
    Drifter, IC and QAR are right.

    I think the Feather river hatchery is marking the springers that come early with a tag. They can spawn those tagged fish later to generate a pure springer strain.

    Salmon are diploid like humans. They get one chromosome set from the buck and one from the hen. The spring Chinook versus the fall Chinook are determined by one gene. There are two versions of the gene- one is early and the other is late. If a fish has two copies of the early gene its a springer and comes back early. If a fish has two versions of late allele it comes back in the fall. However if the fish has one version of the early variant and another is the fall version, the fish comes back in the summer.

    Its a simple genetic issue that has implications for wild and hatchery Chinook.
    Here they come!

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    Re: Springer's are here

    Quote Originally Posted by Nor_Cal_Drifter View Post
    How would they de-hybridize them though?
    DNA test fertilized egg trays
    "Hybrids" get maxilarry clip
    "Springers" get liquid nitrogen brand

    Easy to sort returning springers 3 years from now

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    Re: Springer's are here

    Quote Originally Posted by Nor_Cal_Drifter View Post
    How would they de-hybridize them though?
    Magic is all i could think of lol. Im not sure how you would even begin to seperate them except maybe only take the earliest of fish from the spring and the latest from the fall

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    Re: Springer's are here

    Quote Originally Posted by IronClad View Post
    Currently the runs overlap each other so hard that they spawn with each other. I believe it was due to some poor hatchery practices.
    How would they de-hybridize them though?
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    Re: Springer's are here

    Quote Originally Posted by Nor_Cal_Drifter View Post
    Can you tell us more? What exactly does this mean?
    Currently the runs overlap each other so hard that they spawn with each other. I believe it was due to some poor hatchery practices.

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    Re: Springer's are here

    Quote Originally Posted by salmonid View Post
    once they get the Feather river Springer/Fall salmon un-hybridized...
    Can you tell us more? What exactly does this mean?
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    Re: Springer's are here

    I was up in Redding 2 weeks ago, and grew up there kid and spent every summer up there with my grandparents and ive never seen Mt Shasta still so full of snow from top to bottom. Shasta is brim full and with all the snow melt i just hope they don't drain Shasta to early and hope they release the cold water from the bottom of the dam so the rivers don't heat up nothing like mushy soft meat on a salmon FISH ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!

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