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    Re: Ocean vs River Limit

    Quote Originally Posted by DUKHTN View Post
    It should be Zero in the rivers. The fish in the river are there to spawn, should be left alone to reproduce.
    So, the salmon in the ocean are't going to spawn??

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    Re: Ocean vs River Limit

    Actually no, most of the ocean sport fish(and commercial catch) this year will be feather fish or come from enhancement hatcheries like the moke. There likely isn't a great deal of Coleman fish in the ocean this year. Ergo low impact, for whatever reason Coleman fish truck worse than feather. American or moke fish. Coleman is >1%
    The other 3 averaged 2-3%
    For what it's worth. I think it's silly the other rivers are down to 1, honestly it would have probably been better just closing everything above knights landing anyway as that upper river fishery has been dead the last couple years. Probably why the influx of guides on the feather last year.

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    Re: Ocean vs River Limit

    Actually the projection for this season are higher than the last 3 years...

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    Re: Ocean vs River Limit

    No way to know but the daily visual of guides running 2-3 trips a day at the Outlet was not a pretty picture to some,,,, might have had a subliminal effect on River limits overall.

    Just my 1cent worth.

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    Re: Ocean vs River Limit

    Good info QAR - thanks for taking time to post. Starting to make a little more sense, but stuck on your first comment about limiting ocean take not helping Coleman fish get home. A decent number of those fish being hammered on right now by the sport fleet are Coleman fish, yes? I gotta think every fish helps in terms of returns this year to Coleman, so why not limit the impact of the ocean sporties? Maybe I’m just being stubborn, but at the end of the day, if the projections are bad enough to limit the river guys to 1 fish, the same should apply to the ocean. I get that it’s complicated, but the run is either doing poorly or not regardless of where the fish are being caught.
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    Re: Ocean vs River Limit

    Ocean limits were not lowered because it wouldn't help Coleman fish get home at an acceptable rate

    So obviously there's economic and environmental factors involved as well

    The drought years obliterated commercial and sport boat earnings and a reduced salmon season always has negative population impacts on striped bass and groundfish(halibut, near shore rock fish)

    Last year, anglers on the river interacted with more fish than did the ocean. So, a reduced ocean season would not help the river fishery to the extent that a reduced river season will. Additionally, it would negatively impact the economy for a diminished return on investment.

    Another way to look at it, this should be used as a catalyst to address some issues that could help set future seasons and bag limits.

    - implementing a marked salmon fishery
    - clipping all(100%) hatchery stocks to get an accurate accounting of in river v hatchery origin
    - protected stocks would be "high finners", boatside release= reduce mortality
    - having a process in place to truck stray salmon to their natal hatchery, Coleman desperately needed this the last 5 years, it's done
    - having a mechanism to measure in season progress of escapement objectives(this could result with in season "emergency" closures)
    - adjust river salmon seasons by location, temp, and cfs flow this would be hugely unpopular as "another gd regulation" but would close down keg holes at the mouth of creeks and ahem...outlets.

    Also, as part of their decision the cdfw sited avg angler take for 2017 was less than 1/day so this wont impact that many fisherpeople in the long run. 4 averagr guys that like to troll for salmon wont likely sit at home and not fish because they cant keep 8 fish, the odds of them catching 8 were pretty astronomical anyway.

    Luckily, you can still catch and release before you take your keeper. On some rivers where reduced limits are a factor the 1st salmon you catch must be retained and you are done. This prevents mortality and sea lion snacks

    I feel for the guides, but there's alternatives like the fall striper and sturgeon run.

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    Re: Ocean vs River Limit

    True. Honestly though, if the overall goal is to lessen impact, the limit for the ocean should be 1 as well.
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    Re: Ocean vs River Limit

    The ocean season is very short this year but at least the river is open as usual.
    Here they come!

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    Re: Ocean vs River Limit

    Quote Originally Posted by jjb View Post
    If they need more fish to successfully spawn/return to hatchery we should all do whatever it takes. Just means you’ll need more days to fish to fill the freezer for the year. Realistically 6-10 average sized salmon is more than enough to last awhile. Especially with steelhead right behind salmon season.
    Agreed and I wasn’t asking because I want to bonk more fish...I just want to understand the disparity.

    QAR - your explanation makes sense given the projected returns for the Klamath and the Sac winter run situation, but no good reason that I can think of to put the AR and FR at 1 per day if the ocean is at 2.
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    Re: Ocean vs River Limit

    If they need more fish to successfully spawn/return to hatchery we should all do whatever it takes. Just means you’ll need more days to fish to fill the freezer for the year. Realistically 6-10 average sized salmon is more than enough to last awhile. Especially with steelhead right behind salmon season.

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