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seeinred
07-23-2013, 07:50 AM
For years there has been an issue with finding quality bait in Sacramento. Fresh bait is hard to come by and when its available its under quality and over priced. Most shops in the Freeport area are like used car sellsmen. They say whats hot, which is usually the most expensive. Example: sturgeon are here and you want eel or pile worms. Over $8 a dozen and when you get them theyre dried up and half dead. Eel seems to be in a shortage? Happy hooker used to sell them for quite cheap and now the "small" eel is $15?

I know the economy and blah blah blah. But when a baitshop wants $6-$7 for a flying c and walmart has them for $3 where are you going to go. They work on upsell. I ask for info, where the hotspots are and who is catching fish. Reply "outback you want wanna buy what theyre gettin caught on?"...no no I dont.

Ill put in work. Catch lamprey myself and vacuum pack it. Catch some salmon and get the roe myself. I know this argument may make some shake their heads. But I grew up fishing with my g pa and you got what you paid for. If im paying top price for bait then I want quality. I'll use homemade spinners and catch my own bait. Call it pride or what you will. But I refuse to support local baitshops until they learn to treat the people that keep them in business right. Im speaking of the shops in FREEPORT only. Ive been to others in isleton, rio vista, and the bay. Good people there. The shops in sac could learn a thing or two.

GUSANO
07-23-2013, 08:24 AM
LOL.... I've noticed the quality and price change (going up) as you go further inland. I recently visited a favorite bait shop in oakland, I was reminded of that and how cheaper live bait is in the bay. It seems the further you are from the coast the more expensive the Grass shrimp and Pile worms get. Must be transport costs, demand and how often the inland bait shops get fresh bait. Another reason why you might be getting lower quality bait. As the bait supplier goes inland stop after stop, they're probably selling whats at the bottom of the bucket by the time they get up river. Buy your lures online in bulk or at walmart. When I order online I usually buy about 5-10 lures to get the deal, otherwise 1 lure plus shipping and your over paying. Find out when the bait suppliers arrive so you can get the freshest live bait possible.
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seeinred
07-23-2013, 08:36 AM
LOL.... I've noticed the quality and price change (going up) as you go further inland. I recently visited a favorite bait shop in oakland, I was reminded of that and how cheaper live bait is in the bay. It seems the further you are from the coast the more expensive the Grass shrimp and Pile worms get. Must be transport costs, demand and how often the inland bait shops get fresh bait. Another reason why you might be getting lower quality bait. As the bait supplier goes inland stop after stop, they're probably selling whats at the bottom of the bucket by the time they get up river. Buy your lures online in bulk or at walmart. When I order online I usually buy about 5-10 lures to get the deal, otherwise 1 lure plus shipping and your over paying. Find out when the bait suppliers arrive so you can get the freshest live bait possible.
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Ive taken transport and quanity into consideredation. Kinda my point. If the bait is bottom of the barrell then dont charge for it like its top shelf. I used to buy fresh sardines at buds bait shop. Buds has been long gone now its delta. Fresh anything in freeport is hard to come by. Small ghost shrimp and most of the time blood and pile worms are over priced and under sized. Same with mud suckers.

Its also the attitude of the owners. They have a clientele that they cater too. If your not a usual customer....good luck.

Freeport has changed alot. Im not the only whos noticed. Never had to worry about "jackers" before. Now its way to common to have a thief break a window while your bank fishing. Plenty of cars, boats, and trailers have been vandalized at garcia bend.

Im not stupid. I know it happens everywhere. But the problems in the freeport area are increasing and if anyone says otherwise....talk to a local.

49erbassman
07-23-2013, 12:14 PM
What Walmart has flying c for $3?? My walmarts are over $5 each for them and the good colors sell out in less than a week

Small business is a tough job. Walmart can afford to buy a million flying c spinners so they pay $2.00 ea the bait shop can only afford to buy a hundred and have to pay $4.00 ea. these are not exact figures but being a former small business owner I understand the prices. One thing that keeps them in business is quality and customer service! Without that no one has a reason to shop at the ma and pa shops
Fish on!

seeinred
07-23-2013, 12:41 PM
What Walmart has flying c for $3?? My walmarts are over $5 each for them and the good colors sell out in less than a week

Small business is a tough job. Walmart can afford to buy a million flying c spinners so they pay $2.00 ea the bait shop can only afford to buy a hundred and have to pay $4.00 ea. these are not exact figures but being a former small business owner I understand the prices. One thing that keeps them in business is quality and customer service! Without that no one has a reason to shop at the ma and pa shops
Fish on!


Ask the norcal mepps sales rep as far as price goes. Its the same to manufacture the product whether its sold at a bait shop or walmart. Walmart had a smaller selection actually compared to say romeos bait and tackle. What walmart doesnt have is the intimidator sport fishing boat and company to pay for. Higher bills= higher price for items such as bait, tackle, ect. Im not here to debate corporation vs. mom and pop shops. Ill go local everytime I can. I love silvertrons and montis. Just dislike bait shops that charge huge for product. Even elkhorn bait has cheaper product than the bait shops around freeport. They're out in the boonies, way further than any bait shop. But those guys there are always willing to help and give great deals.

49erbassman
07-23-2013, 03:54 PM
Yes but Walmarts get cheaper wholesale prices. I'm not discounting what you say about these shops but its not as easy as some think. My reps would tell me all the time that my price was the same than you get to see another places invoices and see the difference

Places in Freeport try to capitalize on the fact that there next to the river and you can't go anywhere else at the time to get what you need. I really wouldn't want to be a bait shop owner that's for sure


Fish on!

drinkinbuddy
07-23-2013, 04:52 PM
Having a small business in general is brutal. The economy stinks and everyone is looking to save that is a given and working with the public is a chore under those circumstances. I know because I am a small,very small business owner, I employ two guys and this wonderful state just keeps making it harder. The bait shop business would be tough just under regular circumstances being seasonal and all. You have to be a special kind of person to tolerate the public and it takes its toll. Does this excuse bad sales behavior...nope but I do understand it. The bait shop out at black point is winding down and will be closing possibly in the near future and the owner has his own shrimp boat! I barely get to go out on the bay or Petaluma river but when I do I always made a point to go there and load up. Top notch service and honest reports that included bad reports as well. Never stopped me from trying. Sorry to hear about Freeport as they are definitely suffering just to make ends meet. The only thing I can add to this is to pay attention to politics local and federal level and vote! Too many idiots just vote from a sound bite and pretty packaging and it is bleeding this state and country dry. No civilization has ever taxed themselves into prosperity and if anyone doesn't agree well just look around at the unemployment, welfare and foreclosure statistics. I am stepping down from my box and hope that somehow things will get better in a few years...


Drinkinbuddy

seeinred
07-23-2013, 06:41 PM
Running a bait shop or any small business your usually in a niche market. So you have to supply a specific thing in order to succeed. Most bait shops ive been I have no issue with. Maybe its because these are the shops ive been going to for 20+ years and when things change...its not always for the good. But hey...what can you do. Thats what this soap box is for.

Any business would not survive without their customers. You cannot keep a customer unless they are happy.

salmonid
07-23-2013, 07:14 PM
I like bait shops. Get first hand or second hand info from a number of sources (for free or almost free), have products that work and are available right now, get to bs with the owner/employee. Pricing? Can't judge since I'm kinda new, but I do enjoy visiting them.

Just wish there were more of them around closer to me that I could support.

Best,

seeinred
07-23-2013, 08:14 PM
Sal thats my point,


I used to be able go hang out and bs and get good info and good bait. My problem is I get garbage info and bad bait. So in my eyes why go. Be great if someone revitalized the freeport area fishing scene.

Plenty of good shops, just not the ones near me.

salmonid
07-23-2013, 08:20 PM
Gotcha, seein,

Best,

nelson9
04-22-2014, 06:53 PM
What do you mean when you say the bait shop pays for the Intimidator Sportfishing Boat and company?

Toxic_Waste
08-17-2014, 11:12 AM
Its also the attitude of the owners. They have a clientele that they cater too. If your not a usual customer....good luck.

I have seen this attitude even at coastal bait shop/marinas here and there. So frustrating when you call ahead of time and ask if a particular bait is in stock, because you have to drive a long distance, they say yes, then you arrive and are told, "Nope, sorry, all out!"

Then you browse around in the shop, and hear this conversation when some guy walks in: Person at counter: "Hey [insert name here], how's it going?"

Guy: "Can't complain, got any [insert name of bait you called about here]?"

Person at counter: "Sure, I can set you up!"

So frustrating!

XtremeNorthwest
10-22-2014, 06:16 AM
How do you think i feel, im most likely the one that supplies some of the shops down there for lamprey and fresh frozen king salmon eggs, i sell it to them foe a cheap price then i find out the there charging a very high price for it. I sell my bait products to shops for a cheap price so they can sell it to the customer for a cheap price. Im the one doing all the work and making a little profit from it. Its the bait shops that are making the high dollar with not work put in it. If any of you want lamprey or fresh frozen lamprey look me up.




For years there has been an issue with finding quality bait in Sacramento. Fresh bait is hard to come by and when its available its under quality and over priced. Most shops in the Freeport area are like used car sellsmen. They say whats hot, which is usually the most expensive. Example: sturgeon are here and you want eel or pile worms. Over $8 a dozen and when you get them theyre dried up and half dead. Eel seems to be in a shortage? Happy hooker used to sell them for quite cheap and now the "small" eel is $15?

I know the economy and blah blah blah. But when a baitshop wants $6-$7 for a flying c and walmart has them for $3 where are you going to go. They work on upsell. I ask for info, where the hotspots are and who is catching fish. Reply "outback you want wanna buy what theyre gettin caught on?"...no no I dont.

Ill put in work. Catch lamprey myself and vacuum pack it. Catch some salmon and get the roe myself. I know this argument may make some shake their heads. But I grew up fishing with my g pa and you got what you paid for. If im paying top price for bait then I want quality. I'll use homemade spinners and catch my own bait. Call it pride or what you will. But I refuse to support local baitshops until they learn to treat the people that keep them in business right. Im speaking of the shops in FREEPORT only. Ive been to others in isleton, rio vista, and the bay. Good people there. The shops in sac could learn a thing or two.

graybeard48
10-24-2014, 01:12 PM
As for Freeport what do expect when 3 out 4 bait shops are owned by the same person...
Graybeard48

Jfitalia
10-24-2014, 03:43 PM
How do you think i feel, im most likely the one that supplies some of the shops down there for lamprey and fresh frozen king salmon eggs, i sell it to them foe a cheap price then i find out the there charging a very high price for it. I sell my bait products to shops for a cheap price so they can sell it to the customer for a cheap price. Im the one doing all the work and making a little profit from it. Its the bait shops that are making the high dollar with not work put in it. If any of you want lamprey or fresh frozen lamprey look me up.
That's how running a business works. Unless you have an MSRP those stores can sell it for what they choose. If people are willing to pay for it. Then stores should keep the high price.

Sac pro tackle probably sells the freshest bait in town

Elsancho
10-26-2014, 08:32 PM
That's how running a business works. Unless you have an MSRP those stores can sell it for what they choose. If people are willing to pay for it. Then stores should keep the high price.

Sac pro tackle probably sells the freshest bait in town
MSRP is a suggested retail-price it doesn't mean u have to sell it at that price, some sell for more some for less. Sac pro tackle gets their sardines from the same place that packages them and sells them frozen. Initially sac pro sells them fresh them freezes them to sell later. I'm all for supporting bait shops however I've bought packaged sardines and squid for almost a third of the price at an asian supermarket.

Jfitalia
10-27-2014, 12:00 AM
MSRP is a suggested retail-price it doesn't mean u have to sell it at that price, some sell for more some for less. Sac pro tackle gets their sardines from the same place that packages them and sells them frozen. Initially sac pro sells them fresh them freezes them to sell later. I'm all for supporting bait shops however I've bought packaged sardines and squid for almost a third of the price at an asian supermarket.

2 things

The MSRP is sometimes a required price depending on the company. For instance NIKE and APPLE. Those companies have their MSRP. however stores must sell those items at that price. It's the same for all stores across the board.

Sac pro does does not get their sardines from the company that packages them. he actually drives all the way to moss landing and buys them right off the bait boat. From there he keeps some thawed and sells fresh. The rest he freezes. Believe it or not many people prefer them frozen, which is why he freezes some. At times he had to buy from a company. However that is only when we had a sardine shortage and the boats couldn't find them.

Line Stretcher
10-27-2014, 06:31 AM
MSRP is manufacturers suggested retail price. I think what you're referring to is MAP, minimum allowable price

Minnkota and Lowrance enforce MAP. Bait shops price their products based on cost of goods sold. That cost includes the wholesale price of the product + overhead + a reasonable and competitive profit. If bait is the primary product sold then prices will naturally be higher at bait shops just to cover the overhead.

Owning a bait shop isn't going to make you rich.


Sent by a Line Stretcher

Elsancho
10-27-2014, 08:23 PM
MSRP is manufacturers suggested retail price. I think what you're referring to is MAP, minimum allowable price

Minnkota and Lowrance enforce MAP. Bait shops price their products based on cost of goods sold. That cost includes the wholesale price of the product + overhead + a reasonable and competitive profit. If bait is the primary product sold then prices will naturally be higher at bait shops just to cover the overhead.

Owning a bait shop isn't going to make you rich.


Sent by a Line Stretcher
I never looked at it that way. I suppose supermarkets have more products to make a profit on. I will take that into consideration next time I buy bait.

strokers
10-27-2014, 08:46 PM
I keep missing all these lavish bait stores. All I see are small niche stores trying to scrape by with the money they have coming in. Sure wish these stores would extend there market to internet so the owners could buy some 80k boats and charge less than retail.