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AnglingWes
09-05-2013, 08:10 AM
Was emailed this pic from someone looking to identify it. Caught on the Pit River. It sort of looks like a pike minnow, but the mouth and front fins are weird.

Thoughts?????

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/06/nemu6uja.jpg

IronClad
09-05-2013, 08:18 AM
looks like a hardhead to me

WhopperStopper
09-05-2013, 08:50 AM
+1 for hardhead

Nor*Cal
09-05-2013, 09:06 AM
Never heard of a hard head but looks like a pikeminnow to me.

IronClad
09-05-2013, 09:07 AM
Never heard of a hard head but looks like a pikeminnow to me.

this be a hardhead California Fish Species - California Fish Website (http://calfish.ucdavis.edu/species/?uid=37&ds=241) they look sorta similar

FresnoJack
09-05-2013, 04:37 PM
Pikeminnow or hardhead?

My best guess would be a pikeminnow

The DFG site says the hardhead has frenum (bridge of skin) connecting the upper lip to snout. The pikeminnow lacks a frenum.

It looks to me that the fish in the picture does not have a frenum; there is a clear separation between the upper lip and the snout.

Maybe I'll change my screen name to FrenumJack.





http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/06/nemu6uja.jpg

IronClad
09-05-2013, 04:39 PM
Pikeminnow or hardhead?

My best guess would be a pikeminnow

The DFG site says the hardhead has frenum (bridge of skin) connecting the upper lip to snout. The pikeminnow lacks a frenum.

It looks to me that the fish in the picture does not have a frenum; there is a clear separation between the upper lip and the snout.

Maybe I'll change my screen name to FrenumJack.


hmm could have swore it was the other way around

WhopperStopper
09-05-2013, 04:52 PM
Is the frenum present with or without the jaw extended or not....? Now I'm questioning my own ascertation.

hellahardcor
09-06-2013, 07:58 AM
though very tough to tell based on the 1 picture, if I had to guess i'd say it's a pikeminnow. but it's hard to tell with the one pic, it would be much easier to tell if we could grab the lip and check it out better. here's some comparison pics between the two species. the first pic has a hardhead on top, squaw on bottom 1655316554this second pic clearly shows the frenum on the hardhead (left) and lack of frenum on squaw(right)16555and again, the 3rd pic shows the non-frenum squaw on left, and frenum hardhead on right. just to give reference and avoid plagiarism, the two pics on top were taken from Delayed thanks to GM and Dennis for helping me! :pic: - Kunena (http://www.sonic.net/~gmiller/ncffb/joomla_1.5/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=53&func=view&catid=9&id=3641) and the 3rd (bottom) pic was taken from Sac Pikeminnow and Hardhead | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/fish-bio/6323581826/) so you can see they're pretty doggone similar. the squaw also has a more flattened head, while the hardhead is more rounded. so it's really hard to tell with that 1 pic tho. oh and fresnojack, I think you should keep your original name, when I did a search on google for frenum, it produced a lot of pics of people's pierced genitals... pretty gross...:undecided:

BigUnInDaBoat
09-06-2013, 09:50 AM
They are all over New Melones, Pikeminnow is my bet.

TheCrabbyBanker88
09-07-2013, 01:50 PM
I think its a pike minnow. Either way, looks like striper bait to me.

SoulAnchored <><
09-07-2013, 02:37 PM
Looks like some good striper bait to me...Pikeminnow would be my guess.

CRABBY
09-07-2013, 04:17 PM
oh and fresnojack, I think you should keep your original name, :undecided:I believe fresnojack is his original name!!At least here!!....:elephant:

BIG_ONE
09-07-2013, 04:45 PM
Caught hundreds, maybe thousands of Pikeminnows in my years of fishing(anywhere from fingerlings to almost double digit). That there is not a Pikeminnows, I'm 110% positive. It's a hardhead...

rippinlip
09-07-2013, 05:14 PM
that is a pikeminnow for sure not a hardhead they have different mouths thats just a pikeminnow

BIG_ONE
09-07-2013, 05:41 PM
Hmm...can't recall seeing any pikeminnows being that dark even at a spawning color . Hardhead are typically that color at their adult stage of life. While pikeminnows are bucket mouth, this one has smaller mouth and also I can't recall any pikeminnows having that kind of face except a hardhead. This would be my reason of calling it a hardhead...

redneckpunk
09-07-2013, 07:03 PM
I just want to know if it bit on a bead or was snagged? J/K!!!

~RNP

Line Stretcher
09-07-2013, 07:04 PM
I've never seen a hard head or a pike minnow. I haven't got a clue what it is.:action-smiley-035: N/K

rippinlip
09-07-2013, 08:06 PM
they turn that dark in the colder rocky rivers or just sit in deep holes

LURKER916
09-07-2013, 08:09 PM
It's a HARDHEADED PIKEMINNOW.....



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BIG_ONE
09-07-2013, 11:02 PM
they turn that dark in the colder rocky rivers or just sit in deep holes

I've caught dark ones, but they're more golden brown. This one is darker than usual, can they be darker than all the ones I've caught? Sure...but there's no sign of bucket mouth on this fish which throws Pikeminnows off my list. If this fish is indeed a Pikeminnow, then it is by far the most deformed Pikeminnows I've seen...
P.S. - The fish came from Pit River, which isn't all that deep at all compare to some places on the AR & Sac River.

Seon
09-08-2013, 04:09 AM
I'm 110% positive. ...

I believe you, but are you sure?? Could you be 10 percent wrong :shocked: . J/K cuz I don't have the foggiest.