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stefanoflo
01-12-2015, 05:36 PM
So I went to the ISE show Sunday ,I was wanting to catch Jeff Putnam`s Seminar on Trout fishing techniques and I heard him say something that made me wonder. When a fish gets bigger the diet changes to smaller fish and Flies are not really an appetizing meal to larger Trout, so it made me wonder, if the fisherman's release of the fish is to allow the fish to fight again and let someone else enjoy that fight , then when the fish gets bigger and most of the fish in that river are as big or getting close to being that big and not many fish that are edible are around Then what ?? Dragon Flies?? frogs ?? Birds??? What then ...DEEPTHROATING DUCKS!!!!!!!!! What!!!


PS>>>>>By the way . I leaned allot from Jeff . Great enjoyment listening to him.

truckeeangler
01-12-2015, 05:47 PM
Hmmmm. Good point. Sadly i would have to say we would then rely upon our Department of Fish and Game. The same group that doesnt have a problem overpopulating a lake, or preventing the cleaning of salmon caught.off.rivers...thus preserving our catch.

Maybe our license money can go towards plnting fingerlings for food??

truckeeangler
01-12-2015, 05:56 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsuh4WA3JCI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Line Stretcher
01-12-2015, 07:02 PM
Catch and release is a highly controversial subject. I'm headed to the store for popcorn.

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IronClad
01-12-2015, 07:08 PM
See what you do is start to tie a REALLY BIG fly. Double/tripple articulated sculpin style patterns.


http://youtu.be/ibyVK1gNGm4

Line Stretcher
01-12-2015, 07:16 PM
Tube flys are what I use.

I also disagree to a certain extent with the notion that big fish don't like small presentations. After the fish fatten up for the winter their metabolism slow and the become less active. They will take smaller prey to avoid expending energy both in the chase and during digestion. This is especially true in bodies of water that have a tendency to form ice. Eagle Lake is one of the locations that I fish where this is true.

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truckeeangler
01-12-2015, 08:02 PM
Catch and release is great..............

Imto olive oil and the bbq

Line Stretcher
01-12-2015, 08:10 PM
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s288/hooks-pic/FISHING/IMG_9952-Medium_zps9d01cfb0.jpg
That's a work of art. My bigger tube flys are only around 4 inches.

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rncm1986
01-12-2015, 09:07 PM
the only time I've C&R trout is when my line snaps.

okie
01-12-2015, 09:21 PM
That's a work of art. My bigger tube flys are only around 4 inches.

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man, thats old equipment. i think they stoppede using that when i was a kid.
be safe

Spinner
01-13-2015, 10:44 AM
What's right about ripping a living thing out of it's home, by it's lips, while it's fighting for it's LIFE, just to enjoy the torture, without any regard to nature and by that I mean not consuming what is meant to be consumed. But IT"S OK because we're going to put it back so we can torture it again tomorrow. Aren't we a sick species!" I do eat fish therefor I should be allowed to keep what I need to survive! Those that don't eat fish SHOULDN"T fish", that should be the law of the land!!!! Fisheries would be sustained, may be harsh but it's right!!! Love hunting because there AIN"T no catch and release!!!! Eat what we kill, kill what we eat, let's be responsible for ourselves!

mryosemite
01-13-2015, 10:56 AM
What's right about ripping a living thing out of it's home, by it's lips, while it's fighting for it's LIFE, just to enjoy the torture, without any regard to nature and by that I mean not consuming what is meant to be consumed. But IT"S OK because we're going to put it back so we can torture it again tomorrow. Aren't we a sick species!" I do eat fish therefor I should be allowed to keep what I need to survive! Those that don't eat fish SHOULDN"T fish", that should be the law of the land!!!! Fisheries would be sustained, may be harsh but it's right!!! Love hunting because there AIN"T no catch and release!!!! Eat what we kill, kill what we eat, let's be responsible for ourselves!

I like your style, it seems very open minded. Thanks for the laugh.

BigUnInDaBoat
01-13-2015, 11:41 AM
Yep big trout only eat fish ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q_T5KJpI28

Marv
01-13-2015, 11:47 AM
I do both, catch & release and sometimes I catch and keep a couple smaller ones for the pan.

My largest trout and larger trout caught in my present were caught on wooly buggers of tiny tube jigs.

hrairguitar
01-13-2015, 12:39 PM
What's right about ripping a living thing out of it's home, by it's lips, while it's fighting for it's LIFE, just to enjoy the torture, without any regard to nature and by that I mean not consuming what is meant to be consumed. But IT"S OK because we're going to put it back so we can torture it again tomorrow. Aren't we a sick species!" I do eat fish therefor I should be allowed to keep what I need to survive! Those that don't eat fish SHOULDN"T fish", that should be the law of the land!!!! Fisheries would be sustained, may be harsh but it's right!!! Love hunting because there AIN"T no catch and release!!!! Eat what we kill, kill what we eat, let's be responsible for ourselves!

LOL ...Keep what you need to survive? really? SURVIVE?

FISHERPRICE
01-13-2015, 12:41 PM
Love those videos

shadbuster
01-13-2015, 01:30 PM
LOL ...Keep what you need to survive? really? SURVIVE?

I do donate most of my fish I catch to a few elderly people in the community who cant afford all three of rent, medicine and food. So it is possible to survive off what is caught for some.

stefanoflo
01-14-2015, 12:36 AM
What's right about ripping a living thing out of it's home, by it's lips, while it's fighting for it's LIFE, just to enjoy the torture, without any regard to nature and by that I mean not consuming what is meant to be consumed. But IT"S OK because we're going to put it back so we can torture it again tomorrow. Aren't we a sick species!" I do eat fish therefor I should be allowed to keep what I need to survive! Those that don't eat fish SHOULDN"T fish", that should be the law of the land!!!! Fisheries would be sustained, may be harsh but it's right!!! Love hunting because there AIN"T no catch and release!!!! Eat what we kill, kill what we eat, let's be responsible for ourselves!

Hell You make C&R it sound like Russian Roulette for trout .But you have a good point. I Kinda wonder about how safe Costco fish are anyway , That`s why I fish . not for the experience . I eat them most as well. I use to keep the large ones . so maybe in 2015 I`ll start saving the smaller ones for the fryer , that way the Larger ones will starve . Cycle of life if you ask me .

sollimes
01-14-2015, 07:44 AM
I do both, catch & release and sometimes I catch and keep a couple smaller ones for the pan.

My largest trout and larger trout caught in my present were caught on wooly buggers of tiny tube jigs.

S**t Marv good to hear from you.

How did you guys do on Sunday?

You know the striper spring run is around the corner. Gotta get you on TW fun.

8theworm
01-14-2015, 08:20 AM
Looks like someone just got off the bus from Arkansas.
Are you serious...

Spinner
01-14-2015, 11:03 AM
Boy, that was fun!

Jfitalia
01-14-2015, 06:09 PM
What's right about ripping a living thing out of it's home, by it's lips, while it's fighting for it's LIFE, just to enjoy the torture, without any regard to nature and by that I mean not consuming what is meant to be consumed. But IT"S OK because we're going to put it back so we can torture it again tomorrow. Aren't we a sick species!" I do eat fish therefor I should be allowed to keep what I need to survive! Those that don't eat fish SHOULDN"T fish", that should be the law of the land!!!! Fisheries would be sustained, may be harsh but it's right!!! Love hunting because there AIN"T no catch and release!!!! Eat what we kill, kill what we eat, let's be responsible for ourselves!
You keep what you need to survive? Do you live in a cave?

I'm 100% positive, you would survive if you released a fish every now and then.

WhopperStopper
01-14-2015, 10:05 PM
I live on both sides of this topic. Keep what you need or care to enjoy and release the rest. Selective harvest is key. Also, unless you live off the grid, you dont need to whack every single fish you catch in order to survive. If you have fish in your freezer that has been there for years, you probably have more than you need and should maybe think about releasing some fish so that in a time of true need the resource is available. Not many in todays society need to fish for sustinence and do so more for recreation and enjoyment, so thus we all should be stewards for conservation so that this resource may be enjoyed by future generations.

stefanoflo
01-15-2015, 12:49 AM
I live on both sides of this topic. Keep what you need or care to enjoy and release the rest. Selective harvest is key. Also, unless you live off the grid, you dont need to whack every single fish you catch in order to survive. If you have fish in your freezer that has been there for years, you probably have more than you need and should maybe think about releasing some fish so that in a time of true need the resource is available. Not many in todays society need to fish for sustinence and do so more for recreation and enjoyment, so thus we all should be stewards for conservation so that this resource may be enjoyed by future generations.

I want you to run for Calif Commissioner of wildlife . I`m sure you speak for many the
same way. which is what This state needs .

Troutbead
01-15-2015, 08:08 AM
I live on both sides of this topic. Keep what you need or care to enjoy and release the rest. Selective harvest is key. Also, unless you live off the grid, you dont need to whack every single fish you catch in order to survive. If you have fish in your freezer that has been there for years, you probably have more than you need and should maybe think about releasing some fish so that in a time of true need the resource is available. Not many in todays society need to fish for sustinence and do so more for recreation and enjoyment, so thus we all should be stewards for conservation so that this resource may be enjoyed by future generations..

Maybe this explains why stockings are wayyyyy down everywhere. Game Dept feels people don't need fish to survive so they stock less and divert the surplus money to social programs. As Marx one said "each according to his ability, each according to his need." It is the Socialist State of California after all.....

stefanoflo
01-15-2015, 09:17 AM
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Maybe this explains why stockings are wayyyyy down everywhere. Game Dept feels people don't need fish to survive so they stock less and divert the surplus money to social programs. As Marx one said "each according to his ability, each according to his need." It is the Socialist State of California after all.....

Then we should have welfare fishing License. Free fishing for all without having to spend money to buy it! ..Free bee 365 ....as are those that are new to the state. have the state pay for it all.
Uncle Obama has no problem with it!!!!!!!!!why should Grandpa Brown!

Line Stretcher
01-15-2015, 09:22 AM
Is Catch and release really a good thing???

There are only two things to consider, is it ethically correct and is it morally correct.

Ethically, you must comply with the rules and regulations set forth that govern Sport Fishing. Morally, you have to decide if what you intend to do follows common beliefs.

As you can see from just this thread, beliefs vary widely. When this occurs, I try to sort out the fact from the fiction and use my personal moral character to make my decisions.

Humans have the ability to function logically and reasonably. Some are more focused on the logical side and some are more focused on the reasonable side. The greatest of all sportsmen seem to have the ability to find balance in both.

I think that if you consider these things you will answer your own question.

stefanoflo
01-15-2015, 09:29 AM
there are only two things to consider, is it ethically correct and is it morally correct.

Ethically, you must comply with the rules and regulations set forth that govern sport fishing. Morally, you have to decide if what you intend to do follows common beliefs.

As you can see from just this thread, beliefs vary widely. When this occurs, i try to sort out the fact from the fiction and use my personal moral character to make my decisions.

Humans have the ability to function logically and reasonably. Some are more focused on the logical side and some are more focused on the reasonable side. The greatest of all sportsmen seem to have the ability to find balance in both.

I think that if you consider these things you will answer your own question.


NICE !!!!!!!!! :smile:

TexWalker
01-17-2015, 09:22 AM
Over 18", trout tend to become piscavors, or fish eaters (but they will still eat the heck out of bugs). Most trout tend to never get that size, because it requires large amounts of calories to get over 18". Catch and release, sub 18" trout still breed!

nhns4
01-17-2015, 09:45 AM
I keep on occassion. Gotta have spawn to tie for the next trip.

Captain Compassion
01-17-2015, 10:32 AM
Over 18", trout tend to become piscavors, or fish eaters (but they will still eat the heck out of bugs). Most trout tend to never get that size, because it requires large amounts of calories to get over 18". Catch and release, sub 18" trout still breed!

Most of the rainbow trout caught in California are stocked and these don't breed.

CC

WhopperStopper
01-17-2015, 10:46 AM
[QUOTE=Captain Compassion;10627most of the rainbow trout caught in California are stocked and these don't breed.

CC[/QUOTE]

Triploid correct?...They still posess gonads, but are unable to spawn. IMO these fish are stocked with the intention of being harvested, hence "put and take" fishery. Also, when stocked into streams where natural breeding occurs, their altered genes inhibit them from breeding with native or wild fish.

Jfitalia
01-17-2015, 04:04 PM
Most of the rainbow trout caught in California are stocked and these don't breed.

CC
Yes but they still can get huge by releasing them.

Line Stretcher
01-18-2015, 09:07 AM
The dilemma I come across is C&R in put and take Fisheries. Are the fish that we're releasing growing larger and consuming more of the food sources than anticipated? How does that effect the planting studies that determine planting numbers and schedules? Do all the released fish get bigger or does the diminished food sources lower the average size of all fish.

An example fishery might be Eagle Lake where the native ELT is now near extinction and the average planted holdover fish size is 2 lbs.

C&R has been heavily practiced at Eagle and planting methods have been varied over the years. The results are not what was expected.

I often wonder if sport fishing Fisheries should be allowed to recover through closures rather than attempting to do that via C&R and heavy planting schedules.

redneckpunk
01-18-2015, 11:00 AM
Not sure EL is the best example for a couple of reasons. First, the pressure on the lake and fish has increased dramatically over the last 15-20yrs. At one time, the ELT, for most california anglers was just a "fish story" as few even knew where the lake was and viewed it as more of a destination type fishing trip. And the regulars/locals have been the ones practicing C&R. As the number of fisherman increased so did the amount of trophy sized fish being kept. And as the vicious cycle continues, bigger fish = bigger fish stories = more people fishing it.

Another factor greatly effecting EL has been the continued drop in water level and subsequent lose of habitat. While most California lakes have seen recent years of low levels, it's was only 3-4 years ago that most were also full. EL hasn't been so lucky. I haven't been up there in almost 6 years and even then the levels were dropping. I remember my first trip to EL trolling the tully line next to the airport for 5-6lbers. That's all gone. Everything about that lake has changed.

Is it possible for a place like EL to recover? I think it's a challenge worth undertaking if one agency had control over all the factors. I do believe that if they could get and keep the water levels back up and put in a 5 year no fishing program the lake could begin to recover. But what does that do to the economy of the area, real estate values, etc? Not to mention we all know that once such a law is put into effect the chances of it ever changing back, despite the importance of resource management, is slim.

I'm affraid that EL has been destroyed by its own legend, poor management by anglers and Mother Nature (although many argue water levels are less Mother Nature and more the pipe being open...but that's another argument for another thread).


~RNP


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Line Stretcher
01-18-2015, 12:18 PM
You're probably right, I could take you down a long road about Eagle Lake. I've fished it for nearly 50 years. I did not fish it last year.

stefanoflo
01-19-2015, 01:26 AM
Well I guess that with the new plants this year and from what I`v read on The Fish and Game website that what is planted will be smaller fish , with that said ,then the Browns will increase in size and we all are encouraged to release them due to the Plants stopping in Our great Peta state and also that the Bigger fish will get smaller fish for Breakfast Lunch and dinner with a few Salmon eggs and Bugs for desert .Can make fishing Better if you ask me . if your a C & R Guy or Gal

Mrt47
01-19-2015, 09:04 AM
It beats the alternative- pretty sure the fish would agree as well?

Spinner
01-20-2015, 09:04 AM
http://youtu.be/3cQNkIrg-Tk

There's a lot of us "livin in caves" ! Just because some people prefer to except responsibility for killing to survive, (which IS a necessity), instead of going to the store, ( where by the way someone has already done your dirty work, of killing). We learn to appreciate our resources. A person who likes to eat fish is more likely to respect his resources then someone who is in it for the fun, ONLY! JUST MY OPINION And yes I've got a red neck!!!