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MtnFisher
08-05-2018, 05:48 AM
The fire near Donnell reservoir has resulted in evacuations from Clarks fork and Kennedy Meadows. The fire made a pretty strong run yesterday from westerly winds. I read they bombed the fire during the night with propeller aircraft. Smoke has been thickest so far.

SR 108
[IN THE CENTRAL CALIFORNIA AREA & SIERRA NEVADA]
IS CLOSED FROM 13 MI EAST TO 21.6 MI EAST OF STRAWBERRY (TUOLUMNE CO) -DUE
TO A WILDFIRE – MOTORISTS ARE ADVISED TO USE AN ALTERNATE ROUTE

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MtnFisher
08-05-2018, 05:49 AM
Few more picshttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180805/53cb62792f000d1a0166cfdc87768463.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180805/a66eceb65b76c9cbe573169c5f9e4149.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180805/30edd825afe7e4fba8ba306f2ca9a912.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180805/f37f2a457f118c35e77b71ce8f599aad.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180805/989f4501b0210c27a7b3da5eda027199.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180805/4c59fb78470789dabd1f38e48d7fe8bf.jpg

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MtnFisher
08-05-2018, 05:55 AM
Video taken from the popular vista point off hwy 108.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xe1aL2O6-A

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Captain Compassion
08-05-2018, 07:57 AM
Damn!

CC

RideNfish
08-05-2018, 10:40 AM
This sucks. These are my stomping grounds from childhood and still run up there several times a year. Bummer.

Hey Mtnfisher, Where do you get the imagery and plane tracking info?

redneckpunk
08-05-2018, 12:51 PM
This sucks. These are my stomping grounds from childhood and still run up there several times a year. Bummer.

Hey Mtnfisher, Where do you get the imagery and plane tracking info?

Flightradar24.com is what I use. Free on browser and they have an app as well


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MtnFisher
08-05-2018, 04:21 PM
Hey Mtnfisher, Where do you get the imagery and plane tracking info?

I just find them perusing the web, various folks are into tracking.

The Donnell fire is now over 5800 acres and has moved thru the popular Clarks Fork area and will be burning into the Iceberg Wilderness. I hope the creek trout make it thru this.

Night ops last night and other pics.

Lots of us will recognize these areas off hwy 108. Stay safe and thank a fireman if you run into one.
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MtnFisher
08-05-2018, 04:28 PM
Update at 4:58pm: The Tuolumne County Sheriff’s Office has added Forest Service Road 5N01 to the list that is under a mandatory evacuation order due to the Donnell Fire. It includes the area stretching to Haypress Meadow (Eagle Meadow Road, Niagara Creek and Niagara OHV Park). The earlier evacuation orders remain in place. The latest size estimate remains 5,814 acres and there is no containment. End of update.

Developing: There is also a wildfire at 135 acres near Parotts Ferry and Camp 9 rd. Next few hours is crucial. Lets hope this gets contained.

A few more pics. This fire is going to affect fishing opportunities for many since Hwy 108 is a major route.

Kennedy Meadows evacuation:
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MtnFisher
08-05-2018, 07:05 PM
Recent views of Donnell fire from air and Lake Tahoehttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180806/29a7abc14caccece5937fc6b6eee2242.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180806/f13e1fc703246a84bbd0cafe9b5e9479.jpg

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BigUnInDaBoat
08-06-2018, 04:36 PM
32992Sucks, watched this one blow up over two days while on vacation. They lost Dardanelles resort.

Jetspray
08-06-2018, 04:45 PM
California has a real problem and it is not Global Climate Change. I pray for those who live there, I believe they have to defend areas openly and protect their property.......Jetspray

schplurg
08-06-2018, 05:28 PM
California has a real problem and it is not Global Climate Change. I pray for those who live there, I believe they have to defend areas openly and protect their property.......Jetspray


Yep, mismanaging the forests and undergrowth has created hazardous conditions in Cali for decades - those of us who pay attention know better. Climate change haha, ya sure.

I see that Brown and Trump got into a little shouting match about this. Sorry Jerry, Trump (or whomever told him what to say) hit the nail pretty close to the head on this one.

Jetspray
08-06-2018, 06:03 PM
Yep, mismanaging the forests and undergrowth has created hazardous conditions in Cali for decades - those of us who pay attention know better. Climate change haha, ya sure.

I see that Brown and Trump got into a little shouting match about this. Sorry Jerry, Trump (or whomever told him what to say) hit the nail pretty close to the head on this one.My nephew was a firefighter for years in the Susanville area (went back to teaching), he told me about the monumental regulations imposed on just taking any wood from the forest (most homes are heated with wood in the area). You would think that the greenie folks would want the forests managed but they seem not to want anyone to do anything. I do know that there are better ways to remove logs than what was used in the past, you should see some of the equipment available. Enough said:iagree:...….Jetspray

MtnFisher
08-06-2018, 08:25 PM
Dardanelle store was wiped out along with many cabins.

I've stopped by there a few times but mostly keep going, usually on my way to ventures up Sonora Pass or the 395 corridor. I once snowmobiled up Hwy 108 one winter and stopped by the Dardanelle store then snowmobiled up over the pass. On the way back had a cup of hot chocolate at the Dardanelle store, then hauled ass down the snow covered Hwy 108 to the parking lot about 15 miles below.

For those of you who never been there, here is a video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0qMB5YV5bs

I'm sure they will rebuild it and it will all work out.

Last I read the fire is approaching Kennedy Meadows, they have 3 engines there and they have been preparing to fight the fire.

RideNfish
08-06-2018, 08:27 PM
Sad about the store and surrounding area. Spent many years stopping at that store for fishing as a kid and currently. Common stretch the legs stop on the motorcycles too.
My brother is a CHP for that area. He just took a pic of his young girls by those old gas pumps two weeks ago.

BigUnInDaBoat
08-07-2018, 09:23 AM
NFS denied air support when this fire was less than 100 acres. They are going to catch some flak for that decision, especially from the owners of the 15 known structures lost.

fishwrong2
08-07-2018, 09:32 AM
For crying out loud.... Does every thread have to go this way.... People are losing their homes, property, work and lives....

You can't pass up a single post????????

Was up at Caples on Sunday and you could see the smoke column building through the day. Tough to watch, knowing what's going on below it.

Thank you for the information and pictures. Hoping everyone stays safe.

BigUnInDaBoat
08-07-2018, 09:38 AM
For crying out loud.... Does every thread have to go this way.... People are losing their homes, property, work and lives....

You can't pass up a single post????????

Was up at Caples on Sunday and you could see the smoke column building through the day. Tough to watch, knowing what's going on below it.

Thank you for the information and pictures. Hoping everyone stays safe.

What is your issue? I can't discuss relevant info on the fire? Some bad decisions made in the early stages of this fire by NFS that cost people "their homes, property, work" no lives have been lost on this fire thankfully. Chill out. Furthermore, you let me know when you've had to evacuate your family and what belongings you can fit in your vehicles, and then the weeks of stress and sleeplessness that goes with not knowing if your home still stands. I did in 2013. This is in my home area and very much affects me, my family and friends. So no, I won't pass up a post when I have strong feelings about it.

Jetspray
08-07-2018, 09:40 AM
For crying out loud.... Does every thread have to go this way.... People are losing their homes, property, work and lives....

You can't pass up a single post????????

Was up at Caples on Sunday and you could see the smoke column building through the day. Tough to watch, knowing what's going on below it.

Thank you for the information and pictures. Hoping everyone stays safe.I live in Gardnerville, close to a fire station that is voluntary in nature. We have a whole area with sage brush, rabbit brush, tumble weed, and other dry type stuff. Most homes here have tons of trees and the like. I agree about the coverage by fishsniffer guys/gals but you have to also understand the impact to many on these boards, not only for fishing but personal property. I agree about the people, but I refuse to think in any way that it is all driven by Global Climate Change and not hot weather which we always had. Back in the day they had smoke jumpers and lookout towers all over the states manned by qualified individuals with safety in mind for everyone. Today the greenies have taken the role of damaging the very resources they want to protect with all of their influence on the state of California. Granted most of the fires are in Federal Protected lands, but it is those folks who do not want to manage the forests just let them go wild. Not a new concept but it has gotten worse in the past few years and we are all affected by their mis-management...….Jetspray

fishwrong2
08-07-2018, 09:49 AM
What is your issue? I can't discuss relevant info on the fire? Some bad decisions made in the early stages of this fire by NFS that cost people "their homes, property, work" no lives have been lost on this fire thankfully. Chill out. Furthermore, you let me know when you've had to evacuate your family and what belongings you can fit in your vehicles, and then the weeks of stress and sleeplessness that goes with not knowing if your home still stands. I did in 2013. This is in my home area and very much affects me, my family and friends. So no, I won't pass up a post when I have strong feelings about it.

I apologize, the post wasn't meant for you. Your post wasn't up when I started typing. It was for the political stuff that seems to creep or crash it's way into everything. I feel for your situation. I've seen more damage than I need to, and certainly understand the hurt that comes from it. Part of the reason why I react the way I do. How those fires are fought are a series of tough decisions, and no one will argue they're always done right. Truly hoping all comes out as well as it can.

Jetspray
08-07-2018, 09:57 AM
I apologize, the post wasn't meant for you. Your post wasn't up when I started typing. It was for the political stuff that seems to creep or crash it's way into everything. I feel for your situation. I've seen more damage than I need to, and certainly understand the hurt that comes from it. Part of the reason why I react the way I do. How those fires are fought are a series of tough decisions, and no one will argue they're always done right. Truly hoping all comes out as well as it can.The only thing is that politics rule what is done in the state, and when the governor has a nutsoid look at what is the cause of all the fires in the last 3 years, he needs professional mental help...….Jetspray

Jetspray
08-07-2018, 10:00 AM
I would like to repeat the tunnels are a bad idea, Gov Moonbeam's dad got it started with funneling water to the south in the 50's and he has continued to do the same. It all is a bad idea especially in drought times, ever see them shut off the valves or reduce the flow south in those times? I think not......Jetspray

fishwrong2
08-07-2018, 10:10 AM
I live in Gardnerville, close to a fire station that is voluntary in nature. We have a whole area with sage brush, rabbit brush, tumble weed, and other dry type stuff. Most homes here have tons of trees and the like. I agree about the coverage by fishsniffer guys/gals but you have to also understand the impact to many on these boards, not only for fishing but personal property. I agree about the people, but I refuse to think in any way that it is all driven by Global Climate Change and not hot weather which we always had. Back in the day they had smoke jumpers and lookout towers all over the states manned by qualified individuals with safety in mind for everyone. Today the greenies have taken the role of damaging the very resources they want to protect with all of their influence on the state of California. Granted most of the fires are in Federal Protected lands, but it is those folks who do not want to manage the forests just let them go wild. Not a new concept but it has gotten worse in the past few years and we are all affected by their mis-management...….Jetspray


I've spent more hours on the back end of a Pulaski and McCleod than I cared to. I understand better than some, and the only things fire cares about are fuel, and weather.

MtnFisher
08-07-2018, 10:50 AM
NFS denied air support when this fire was less than 100 acres. They are going to catch some flak for that decision, especially from the owners of the 15 known structures lost.I agree, they underestimated this fire. They even reported it was not even a threat to hwy 108 since the fire started down closer to the reservoir. See pic of headlines.

But then the afternoon winds came on Sunday, and the fire doubled in size. There was limited resources (fire fighters are stretched thin) so all they could do was evacuate for the most part.

The wildcard in these wild fires is always the wind. Nobody can accurately predict windy conditions which are a game changer in wildfires.

I question the source of this fire. It started on the northeast side of the reservoir. There was no lightning when it started and the terrain is steep and rocky. There is a dirt road I call Fence creek above where the fire started and an unmanaged trail to the east.

Myself and others have hiked into the reservoir from the hwy but its not for anyone. My friend has seen drip lines in the small water seeps that are common in that area.

I might be wrong but I would not be surprised if an illegal pot grower started this fire down there.

And this is the area where numerous folks including a fishermen have mysteriously disappeared:

https://www.uniondemocrat.com/localnews/4735782-151/donnell-vista-majestic-and-mystifying

If you go fishing in this area, you better not go alone and as one forest ranger advised me "pack a firearm!" Both me and my fishing buddies pack heat, and hope we never have to use them. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180807/23ddfc2e2ce5283bc4e775eeb8d2d277.jpg

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MtnFisher
08-07-2018, 11:17 AM
Northeast side of the lake where access is very limited.

Was an illegal pot grower down there camping in this spot where the fire first started???https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180807/6ad9921a7751525b643c9c8fcab5f6cc.jpg

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Jetspray
08-07-2018, 02:12 PM
Northeast side of the lake where access is very limited.

Was an illegal pot grower down there camping in this spot where the fire first startThose folks have no cares about others, most of them are indentured slaves to drug lords. There are lots of them over here, giving their paycheck money in envelopes to individuals who transport the dollars south. We have seen it first hand in a Fallon Jack in the Box...…..Jetspray

GR8ANGLER
08-07-2018, 02:40 PM
I thought legalizing pot was supposed to stop this?

MtnFisher
08-07-2018, 03:06 PM
I thought legalizing pot was supposed to stop this?I thought so too but its only growing worse:

https://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/california-weed/article212123169.html

https://www.bakersfield.com/archives/national-forests-a-growing-destination-for-illegal-pot-farms/article_8f95798b-f84d-5265-93e2-0351b73cf483.html

https://www.usda.gov/media/blog/2018/07/11/illegal-marijuana-sites-cant-hide-science

As they say up in Trinity County regarding the streams: "Don't drink the water".



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RumNKoke
08-07-2018, 03:23 PM
I once snowmobiled up Hwy 108 one winter and stopped by the Dardanelle store then snowmobiled up over the pass. On the way back had a cup of hot chocolate at the Dardanelle store, then hauled ass down the snow covered Hwy 108 to the parking lot about 15 miles below.

Our family cabin is close to the Beardsley turn off.
We used to do the snowmobile over to the other side trip in the 90's.
Stop and top off fuel at Dardanelle's, pick up some snacks, maybe have a nip at the bar.

My son just went to Kennedy Meadows horse camp a few weeks back.
Hate to see that place burn again.......

BigUnInDaBoat
08-07-2018, 07:08 PM
Elevation is FAR too high to be growing cannabis/weed/pot/marijuana (take your pick) simply too cold there at night. People are saying it was an illegal campfire and others are saying it was a control burn?

borntoscout
08-08-2018, 07:22 AM
Elevation is FAR too high to be growing cannabis/weed/pot/marijuana (take your pick) simply too cold there at night. People are saying it was an illegal campfire and others are saying it was a control burn? I have been to the bottom near the inlet and saw hoses and other pot grow debris.

BigUnInDaBoat
08-08-2018, 08:27 AM
I have been to the bottom near the inlet and saw hoses and other pot grow debris.

There is no way an illegal commercial operation would be up that high in elevation. I've stomped all over those woods for many deer seasons and have never seen anything up high. 7000'+. It will grow up there, but not well enough to make the cartel money.

borntoscout
08-08-2018, 09:06 AM
The surface of Donnell Reservoir when filled is under 5000 feet. I don't know about the cold tolerance of pot but I think it probably stays pretty warm all summer long down in that canyon.

Jetspray
08-08-2018, 09:37 AM
Elevation is FAR too high to be growing cannabis/weed/pot/marijuana (take your pick) simply too cold there at night. People are saying it was an illegal campfire and others are saying it was a control burn?It all has to do with time of year and temperature they plant. If you use some of the illegal stuff they have with them you can grow stuff on the moon. It is why the fires start and the chemicals ruin the environment. As was said by a friend of mine "California does not want you to have a BBQ or a wood fireplace, but they don't mind massive forest fires or destruction of property". I would say that even though California has laws on MJ distribution they sure do not have a handle on all of the illegal aliens growing stuff on federal & state property...…...Jetspray

Jetspray
08-08-2018, 09:41 AM
There is no way an illegal commercial operation would be up that high in elevation. I've stomped all over those woods for many deer seasons and have never seen anything up high. 7000'+. It will grow up there, but not well enough to make the cartel money.Let's see illegal growers, illegaly in the state, indentured slaves to the cartels, free seeds, free illegal fertilizer, illegal plant protection, use of federal & state lands, pretty close to free operation other than buying plastics and sometimes pumps. On the cheap they make a killing......Jetspray

Jetspray
08-08-2018, 09:48 AM
BTW with all of the worldwide GMO stuff, new chemical fertilizers, plant production increases, do you really think that a cartel runner has no knowledge of how to make the plants more strong with their production of illegal chemicals like cocaine, or other things like opiods and cannabis content...….Jetspray

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_(drug)

BigUnInDaBoat
08-08-2018, 12:24 PM
BTW with all of the worldwide GMO stuff, new chemical fertilizers, plant production increases, do you really think that a cartel runner has no knowledge of how to make the plants more strong with their production of illegal chemicals like cocaine, or other things like opiods and cannabis content...….Jetspray

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_(drug)

This is getting way off topic but I will say the potency of Cannabis is largely based on it's genetics. The strongest stuff in the world is organically grown.


It all has to do with time of year and temperature they plant.

That's not how cannabis works, it's only flowers in the fall.

I'll be shocked if a grow turns out to be the cause of this fire.

Jetspray
08-08-2018, 02:32 PM
Not completely and yes you can......Jetspray

https://worldnewsdailyreport.com/monsanto-creates-first-genetically-modified-strain-of-marijuana/

MtnFisher
08-08-2018, 03:12 PM
Here is what my friend reported on another forum about his hike in 2011:

"As remote as Donnell seems there was a surprising amount of evidence of human activity. We packed out a bunch of trash but there is still plenty down there. If anyone plans to head down there be careful!!! On the way down we came a cross a bunch of hoses and tubing for a drip system. They didn't appear to be currently in operation,(no plants or people with guns) but it was enough to put us on edge for a while. This was one of the only experiences I've had outside where I've been scared."

End of quote

Whether pot can be grown down there is debatable but the circumstances as to how this fire started is suspicious to say the least.

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Jetspray
08-08-2018, 03:17 PM
Here is what my friend reported on another forum about his hike in 2011:

"As remote as Donnell seems there was a surprising amount of evidence of human activity. We packed out a bunch of trash but there is still plenty down there. If anyone plans to head down there be careful!!! On the way down we came a cross a bunch of hoses and tubing for a drip system. They didn't appear to be currently in operation,(no plants or people with guns) but it was enough to put us on edge for a while. This was one of the only experiences I've had outside where I've been scared."

End of quote

Whether pot can be grown down there is debatable but the circumstances how this fire is suspicious to say the least.

Sent from my SM-G930V using TapatalkI prospect in the general area around Columbia and north. I personally have ran across grows and guns. I carry my own and have never had confrontation with any of them but they have seen my 44 mag on the front seat. I'm just sayin'......Jetspray

MtnFisher
08-08-2018, 03:18 PM
Here is a link to an illegal pot grow bust near Markleville in Alpine Co. Not sure what the elevation is?

https://www.recordcourier.com/news/crime/alpine-county-clears-4000-plant-pot-grow/



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Waterdog
08-08-2018, 04:41 PM
You can definitely grow pot at high altitudes. I’ve heard of some being grown over 7000’ up to 9000’. There are certain strains that are bred for high altitude cultivation. Strains from Afghanistan are among them . The “kush” strain is one. I do not use pot and haven’t for many many years. I was a child of the 60’s and partook of pot a lot in my youth. Don’t want anything to do with it now.
Earlier this year at a bbq a good friend I’ve know from high school who is still a stoner and I consider an expert on the weed had a long discussion on pot. He educated me about the different types, growing techniques etc etc. He told me that pot can be grown at fairly high elevations. It it is no surprise to me that an illegal pot grow may be the cause of thes Fire.

Captain Compassion
08-08-2018, 05:13 PM
Markleeville is 5863 feet in elevation.

Jetspray
08-08-2018, 05:26 PM
You can definitely grow pot at high altitudes. I’ve heard of some being grown over 7000’ up to 9000’. There are certain strains that are bred for high altitude cultivation. Strains from Afghanistan are among them . The “kush” strain is one. I do not use pot and haven’t for many many years. I was a child of the 60’s and partook of pot a lot in my youth. Don’t want anything to do with it now.
Earlier this year at a bbq a good friend I’ve know from high school who is still a stoner and I consider an expert on the weed had a long discussion on pot. He educated me about the different types, growing techniques etc etc. He told me that pot can be grown at fairly high elevations. It it is no surprise to me that an illegal pot grow may be the cause of thes Fire.They have grown it in Leadville Co on an indoor site that got busted when I was there in Canyon City Co visiting my dad before he passed away. There are 4 "Clinics" between Canyon City and Pueblo on hwy 50 (Green Cross types). Leadville is over 11,000 feet alt...…..Jetspray

MtnFisher
08-08-2018, 08:27 PM
Latest update on Donnell fire:

Size: 17,941 Acres Contained: 4%

Latest reports state the Donnell fire on the northern end has reached the end of Clark's Fork valley and has entered the Iceberg Wilderness. A few years ago there was some decent fishing in the creek there. No roads in the wilderness area so its aerial and boots on the ground tactics there.

Earlier reports state Kennedy meadows was safe??? This is a popular fishing area and with a major trailhead leading into the Emigrant Wilderness. Lots of lakes with rainbows, browns and rainbows to the south. Hopefully they can avert the fire in this area.

Stay safe and hope/pray for the best!

MtnFisher
08-09-2018, 11:42 AM
USFS reports the Donnell Fire acreage has grown to 21,097 acres with 6% containment.

The fire has pushed further up the Arnot and Disaster Creek drainages to the northeast. The fire crossed Douglas Creek on the north side of Highway 108.

Judging by the fire map the fire is within 2 air miles of Kennedy meadows.

The Bennett Juniper is being guarded, this is the oldest juniper tree in America.

So far 55 structures and 81 minor structures destroyed.

The access road to Highland Lakes from Hwy 4 is closed due to the fire.

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Jetspray
08-09-2018, 01:08 PM
Thing we have noticed is that for the past two weeks we have not seen gardener trucks anywhere here. I can't mow my lawns due to the ash and smoke. Even birds showing up are unusual for this time of year. I had to fill my feeders yesterday and today we had 3 different hawks show up to try to catch them...…..Jetspray

MtnFisher
08-09-2018, 03:10 PM
Thing we have noticed is that for the past two weeks we have not seen gardener trucks anywhere here. I can't mow my lawns due to the ash and smoke. Even birds showing up are unusual for this time of year. I had to fill my feeders yesterday and today we had 3 different hawks show up to try to catch them...…..JetsprayWildfires displace wildlife, saw a flock of Cedar Waxwings show up today. They usually don't show up until November.

Guessing the wildfires up north displaced them.

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RideNfish
08-09-2018, 03:40 PM
Bummer about crossing Douglas Creek north side. I stayed in a family friend's cabin up there as a kid for years. It was the only cabin on a large granite slab. You had to drive across the creek and up a slope to the cabin. :(

BigUnInDaBoat
08-09-2018, 04:09 PM
Whether pot can be grown down there is debatable but the circumstances as to how this fire started is suspicious to say the least.


I've heard people with the stories, just like the huge catfish below every dam ever built the size of volkswagens. Seen little proof. It does happen, I am not saying it does not, I just do not think it is as widespread as it used to be during prohibition.

It will in fact grow up that high, however the nighttime temps, especially in fall are not conducive to quality or production at that elevation IMO and would not be worth it to the cartels because of those reasons. Let alone to be doing that in a public place that has a vista point that is used daily by dozens of people, just seems too far fetched for me.

borntoscout
08-10-2018, 10:22 AM
The Donnell fire is burning along what historians think is the probable route of the first overland immigrant party to come to California. They followed the West Walker River to near Coleville then crossed over Rodriquez Flat and ascended the East Carson River to Murray or Golden Canyon and crossed the Sierra crest at the top of Golden Canyon and descended through Paradise Valley, Disaster Creek and the Clark Fork to a rocky point between the Middle Fork and Dardanelles Creek. Here they hesitated to descend to Donnell flat, fearing the river was headed into an impassable gorge. Here one brash young man insisted he could make it through Donnell flat (now Donnell Reservoir) and was not seen by the rest of the party until some of them arrived at Sutter’s Fort. Two weeks ago I hiked up Disaster Creek to the pass at the top of Golden Canyon and was impressed by the size of some of the trees (as were the immigrants), the junipers in particular. Disaster Creek is (or was) home to a population of Lahontan Cutthroat Trout. http://sonorapasspioneers.com/trailroute.html

MtnFisher
08-10-2018, 04:08 PM
The Donnell fire is burning along what historians think is the probable route of the first overland immigrant party to come to California. They followed the West Walker River to near Coleville then crossed over Rodriquez Flat and ascended the East Carson River to Murray or Golden Canyon and crossed the Sierra crest at the top of Golden Canyon and descended through Paradise Valley, Disaster Creek and the Clark Fork to a rocky point between the Middle Fork and Dardanelles Creek. Here they hesitated to descend to Donnell flat, fearing the river was headed into an impassable gorge. Here one brash young man insisted he could make it through Donnell flat (now Donnell Reservoir) and was not seen by the rest of the party until some of them arrived at Sutter’s Fort. Two weeks ago I hiked up Disaster Creek to the pass at the top of Golden Canyon and was impressed by the size of some of the trees (as were the immigrants), the junipers in particular. Disaster Creek is (or was) home to a population of Lahontan Cutthroat Trout. http://sonorapasspioneers.com/trailroute.htmlThere used to be a sign at the Vista point depicting a battle between Piutes and early explorers in 1858. The sign is no longer there but I was able to locate a photo of it:
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180811/8d1b14d6fd9e41799ceab507e4c2a783.jpg

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MtnFisher
08-12-2018, 08:42 AM
Latest update from the Sheriff's Dept last night including an assessment of structures destroyed:

Tuolumne County Sheriff
(https://www.facebook.com/tuolumnecountysheriff/?hc_ref=ARRd7k5cgjcsAB62HTTLGhBKwzkp7jPZpk4BNTPyxM IQcSVClPv-oT73ikuGoflX1D0&fref=nf)
Update August 11th, 9 PM:

USFS announces a community meeting is scheduled for August 13, 2018 from 5-6:30pm at the Word of Life Church located at 24630 Mi Mi-Wuk, CA 95346 to provide an update on the #DonnellFire
(https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/donnellfire?source=feed_text)
The Donnell Fire is at 26,814 acres with 20% containment.
Although fire activity was relatively moderate today, fire did progress towards Spicer Reservoir to the North, Northeast towards Boulder Creek, and East along Highway 108. Specialized crews were assigned in the Spicer Reservoir and Carson Iceberg area to focus on suppression efforts. Structural protection continues as a priority for fire fighters along the Highway 108 corridor and 5N01 (Eagle Meadow Road). Operations are in process of addressing hazard trees along the Highway 108 corridor and in and around structures that have been affected by the fire. Helicopter water drops supported engines and hand crews on the ground. Although progress is being made on the fire, there is still a need for more resources to increase perimeter control of the fire.

Initial fire assessments have been completed for all recreation residence tracts along the 108 corridor. All permittees have been contacted regarding the condition of their cabin/resort. The main store and lodge of the Dardanelle Resort, 14 of 16 cabins in the Wagner Tract, 36 of 57 cabins in the Brightman Tract, 2 of 2 cabins in the Buena Vista Tract, and 1 of 10 cabins in the Bone Springs Tract have been destroyed by the fire. No structures have been reported lost at Baker Station, Brightman Ranger Station, and cabins in Riverside, Cedar Grove, Deadman, Baker, East and West Douglas, and Twin Buttes Tracts. Firefighters continue to patrol and protect structures within the fire perimeter, and risk is still present from both fire and hazardous trees. Forest Service is contacting permittees as soon as more information becomes available.

Mandatory Evacuations are still in effect along Highway 108 from Eagle Meadow Road to Kennedy Meadows (all residences and campgrounds) as well as all along Eagle Meadow Road (5N01) and the Clark Fork Road area. No new mandatory evacuations have been ordered.
Advisory Evacuation for Mill Creek area was put into effect on August 8th and is still stands.

[End of update]

TBSP
08-14-2018, 01:12 PM
I see the fire has made its way to Sword Lake, where I took my first backpack trip in the late ‘60’s. So sad...

Steve_M
08-15-2018, 04:07 PM
This fire Has destroyed my hunting grounds and a resort that I've spent many years camping. And you guys want to talk about Pot growers.:confusion:

BigUnInDaBoat
08-15-2018, 04:27 PM
This fire Has destroyed my hunting grounds and a resort that I've spent many years camping. And you guys want to talk about Pot growers.:confusion:


Fire is a good thing for the deer. We can talk hunting up here too.

MtnFisher
08-15-2018, 07:45 PM
Fire is a good thing for the deer. We can talk hunting up here too.Fire is a good thing for deer. New growth means more nutritious browse for deer. I've seen bucks in fresh burns looking for fresh sprouts, they chew 'em to a nub.

Heres a buck taken in a 2yr old burn. Just be careful of falling trees.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180816/a0ac2579dc45c3c2cf391db911b1e84e.jpg

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BigUnInDaBoat
08-15-2018, 11:03 PM
great buck!

MtnFisher
08-16-2018, 08:57 AM
great buck!Another buck (4x5) I took the year before in the same spot, note the burned debris.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180816/b20f74cd776837301ced0710a0769de7.jpg

Almost bagged a third buck the third year in the same spot, a really nice 3 pt but blew it. I did bag a nice bear though.

I like hunting burns.

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Jetspray
08-16-2018, 09:27 AM
This fire Has destroyed my hunting grounds and a resort that I've spent many years camping. And you guys want to talk about Pot growers.:confusion:It is bad no matter how you slice it. I can only say the pot growers in general want to do things right, it is the illegal grows that are the big problem. The other thing burns do is cause land slides and major damage. It also increases algae and plant growth in the rivers, streams and lakes which inhibits fish populations in certain cases. As far as sprouting forage growth it does it too, but some of the growth is harmful as well to the tree populations and re-growth. I hope everyone has a great season hunting and fishing no matter what...….Jetspray

sarahpee
09-05-2018, 04:32 PM
There is no pot grow at the inlet of donnells lake, or anywhere near it, take my word for it. Please make up other scary stories about something else than pot growers at an inhospitable place like the inlet, for example how about saying that the island on donnells is a pot grow island? That sounds much more awesome.....and you can even see it from the lookout that people are afraid to leave their vehicles to walk the 1/4 mile to the edge of the lookout because they might vanish, watch out for aliens & UFO's or pot growers, whichever gets to you first. In fact don't even stop your car, just keep driving until you hit Nevada, then the pot growing should cease, hard to grow pot in middle of a desert.

Jetspray
09-05-2018, 05:43 PM
There is no pot grow at the inlet of donnells lake, or anywhere near it, take my word for it. Please make up other scary stories about something else than pot growers at an inhospitable place like the inlet, for example how about saying that the island on donnells is a pot grow island? That sounds much more awesome.....and you can even see it from the lookout that people are afraid to leave their vehicles to walk the 1/4 mile to the edge of the lookout because they might vanish, watch out for aliens & UFO's or pot growers, whichever gets to you first. In fact don't even stop your car, just keep driving until you hit Nevada, then the pot growing should cease, hard to grow pot in middle of a desert.Separate fiction from fact a little. I have lived here in Gardnerville NV since Nov 1st 2006, when I moved from Fremont Ca where I resided from Sept 1957 till Oct 31st 2006. We have been plagued by smoke every summer since, the smoke contains more than just wood and leaves because of what is in it from homes and businesses that are engulfed. Poor forest management is mostly to blame, putting it on one thing is very hard to do, I have relatives that fight those fires in California and I do not want any of them to become injured nor anyone that resides there. The federal government and state government need to focus funds in a different way to broker a better result. The whole state could benefit by selling wood products, or mining, or taking care of the resources they have available, seems to me a little better education is in order rather than mis-guiding students to become protesters...….Jetspray

GR8ANGLER
09-05-2018, 05:58 PM
There is no pot grow at the inlet of donnells lake, or anywhere near it, take my word for it. Please make up other scary stories about something else than pot growers at an inhospitable place like the inlet, for example how about saying that the island on donnells is a pot grow island? That sounds much more awesome.....and you can even see it from the lookout that people are afraid to leave their vehicles to walk the 1/4 mile to the edge of the lookout because they might vanish, watch out for aliens & UFO's or pot growers, whichever gets to you first. In fact don't even stop your car, just keep driving until you hit Nevada, then the pot growing should cease, hard to grow pot in middle of a desert.

Regardless whether there was or is a pot grow there, it’s a fact that there are illegal pot grows all over our public lands in the foothills and the mountains that threaten are basic freedoms as well as the environment. It’s really a shame. I have to carry nowadays, well for about 20 years now actually because you just never know. I ran into a person who I think was scouting or patrolling a few years back. He had a Pitbull on a leash and disappeared after he made it known he was there. It creeped me out enough that I haven’t been back to that “secret” place since.

Jetspray
09-05-2018, 06:55 PM
Regardless whether there was or is a pot grow there, it’s a fact that there are illegal pot grows all over our public lands in the foothills and the mountains that threaten are basic freedoms as well as the environment. It’s really a shame. I have to carry nowadays, well for about 20 years now actually because you just never know. I ran into a person who I think was scouting or patrolling a few years back. He had a Pitbull on a leash and disappeared after he made it known he was there. It creeped me out enough that I haven’t been back to that “secret” place since.I had two of them approach my pickup a few years ago (truck and camper were brand new). When one asked me questions, the other guy motioned me to go ahead when he saw my 44 magnum next to my right hand but I did not have the finger on the trigger, just at the ready...…..Jetspray

MtnFisher
09-06-2018, 04:11 AM
So how did the fire start in that small timber grove on the north side near Donnells inlet?

Guess we will never know. Bet the tooth fairy knows who started it though.

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Jetspray
09-06-2018, 04:36 AM
So how did the fire start in that small timber grove on the north side near Donnells inlet?

Guess we will never know. Bet the tooth fairy knows who started it though.

Right conditions and a bunch of under brush. I have had piles of grass clippings start smoldering in the past on a hot day, and they were not that thick either...….Jetspray

timmyt
09-07-2018, 05:15 PM
There is no pot grow at the inlet of donnells lake, or anywhere near it, take my word for it. Please make up other scary stories about something else than pot growers at an inhospitable place like the inlet, for example how about saying that the island on donnells is a pot grow island? That sounds much more awesome.....and you can even see it from the lookout that people are afraid to leave their vehicles to walk the 1/4 mile to the edge of the lookout because they might vanish, watch out for aliens & UFO's or pot growers, whichever gets to you first. In fact don't even stop your car, just keep driving until you hit Nevada, then the pot growing should cease, hard to grow pot in middle of a desert.



Well it is Bigfoot Country!

jjb
09-07-2018, 08:23 PM
Separate fiction from fact a little. I have lived here in Gardnerville NV since Nov 1st 2006, when I moved from Fremont Ca where I resided from Sept 1957 till Oct 31st 2006. We have been plagued by smoke every summer since, the smoke contains more than just wood and leaves because of what is in it from homes and businesses that are engulfed. Poor forest management is mostly to blame, putting it on one thing is very hard to do, I have relatives that fight those fires in California and I do not want any of them to become injured nor anyone that resides there. The federal government and state government need to focus funds in a different way to broker a better result. The whole state could benefit by selling wood products, or mining, or taking care of the resources they have available, seems to me a little better education is in order rather than mis-guiding students to become protesters...….Jetspray

Mining isn’t a good environmental practice if you wanna keep forests intact


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Jetspray
09-08-2018, 03:08 AM
Mining isn’t a good environmental practice if you wanna keep forests intact


Do you realize that it is going on daily in many places of the state of California? There are older mines that could be utilized and cleaned up as well. Gold covered with mercury is safely recovered every year as well as metals like lead sinkers and bullets. The environmental cleanup is taking place all the time...….Jetspray

MtnFisher
09-09-2018, 07:44 PM
DEW!! DEW!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNOw8k_Uyx0


Now I know why I heard weird humming noises and saw shadows flying thru the night!

Owlman2
09-09-2018, 10:32 PM
Regardless whether there was or is a pot grow there, it’s a fact that there are illegal pot grows all over our public lands in the foothills and the mountains that threaten are basic freedoms as well as the environment. It’s really a shame. I have to carry nowadays, well for about 20 years now actually because you just never know. I ran into a person who I think was scouting or patrolling a few years back. He had a Pitbull on a leash and disappeared after he made it known he was there. It creeped me out enough that I haven’t been back to that “secret” place since.

I always carry too, when fishing in remote areas. It's kind of funny, I think fishing in the boonies we are probably much safer from two legged predators than we are when we go to the local quicky-mart....but there is something about isolation that just makes me want to be armed.

A lot of our fears are often primal and based upon instincts evolved over thousands of years, but they are not always logical. We tend to feel safer among other people, when other people are generally the greatest danger we face. The risk of attack from black bear or mountain lion is so low as to not even be worth taking seriously.

Humans are a tribal/pack oriented species, for better or worse.