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EddieTee
08-17-2018, 12:38 PM
Went to Camanche yesterday and caught 3 trout at 40-50' down on the DR's, but had a least 12 more grabs that got off almost as quickly as they got on. I keep my hooks sharp so it's not that. Any suggestions on how to improve my ratio of catching instead of so many grabs.
Thanks
Eddie Tee

chachie
08-17-2018, 01:02 PM
Went to Camanche yesterday and caught 3 trout at 40-50' down on the DR's, but had a least 12 more grabs that got off almost as quickly as they got on. I keep my hooks sharp so it's not that. Any suggestions on how to improve my ratio of catching instead of so many grabs.
Thanks
Eddie Tee

With DR's, I run into this time to time, when i see it happening a bit I move the line deeper and deeper into the release. That way they actually have to commit and grab the bait in order for it to release. I find that most lakes i fish, I have to spend a little time dialing in how deep into the release i set the line.

twack
08-17-2018, 01:53 PM
Went to Camanche yesterday and caught 3 trout at 40-50' down on the DR's, but had a least 12 more grabs that got off almost as quickly as they got on. I keep my hooks sharp so it's not that. Any suggestions on how to improve my ratio of catching instead of so many grabs.
Thanks
Eddie Tee

There is probably a few issues affecting the stickyness of the bite.

1. When running DR's deeper as we do when temps go up and fish go down, the blowback is negating the preload you have on your pole.
2. When deeper we tend to run shorter setbacks.

For #1, the pole preload is not setting the hook like it does at shallower depths. There's no longer that snap forward. So with a large blowback, when the fish strikes and pulls the line from the release, the lure and line probably go slack allowing the fish to spit it out. Some folks use braid when going deeper because the line's diameter is smaller reducing friction and blowback. And as Chachie said, cranking down on the release pressure will allow you to set the preload higher which will also allow you to reduce blowback. Problem with that though is you'll tend to pull more fish around the lake until you check the line.

#2 is somewhat related to #1. With a short setback when the line releases, the blowback will transfer slack back to the lure quicker. The longer setback has more stretch/bounce from the strike itself as well has having more friction from the water for the fish to pull against. Both of those reasons will make it harder for the fish to spit the lure out.

And then lastly, at least for me, I find the C20 Speedy Shiners (1/4 oz) with the larger hooks seem to stick better. The smaller C21's seem to allow the fish to spit a bit more often.

Note: These are my opinions and I personally have no statistics to back them up.

Jetspray
08-17-2018, 02:23 PM
Tighten the releases a little more and pay attention to the rod tips...Ö.Jetspray

chachie
08-17-2018, 02:57 PM
There is probably a few issues affecting the stickyness of the bite.

1. When running DR's deeper as we do when temps go up and fish go down, the blowback is negating the preload you have on your pole.
2. When deeper we tend to run shorter setbacks.

For #1, the pole preload is not setting the hook like it does at shallower depths. There's no longer that snap forward. So with a large blowback, when the fish strikes and pulls the line from the release, the lure and line probably go slack allowing the fish to spit it out. Some folks use braid when going deeper because the line's diameter is smaller reducing friction and blowback. And as Chachie said, cranking down on the release pressure will allow you to set the preload higher which will also allow you to reduce blowback. Problem with that though is you'll tend to pull more fish around the lake until you check the line.

#2 is somewhat related to #1. With a short setback when the line releases, the blowback will transfer slack back to the lure quicker. The longer setback has more stretch/bounce from the strike itself as well has having more friction from the water for the fish to pull against. Both of those reasons will make it harder for the fish to spit the lure out.

And then lastly, at least for me, I find the C20 Speedy Shiners (1/4 oz) with the larger hooks seem to stick better. The smaller C21's seem to allow the fish to spit a bit more often.

Note: These are my opinions and I personally have no statistics to back them up.

Spot on, another thing i do, is I run a co-pol leader the length i want my setback, and then use a double uni to braid on my reel. I can set my lines hands free as i know the line just runs out until the co-pol/braid junction. that way I have braid from the rod to the release and then co-pol from the release to the lure.

Waterdog
08-17-2018, 03:46 PM
I agree tighten up your release a little so itís a little harder to pull the line out of the release. Also I donít know what line you are using but try using mono. The stretch in mono helps to hook the trout. If you use braid then use a long mono leader.
Also few people use them for trout but a small trailer hook can help.

hooks
08-18-2018, 09:01 AM
Possibly it's just a matter of short strikes. I've had days like that. Yes, days like that do make me wonder what I'm doing wrong.

Jetspray
08-18-2018, 09:09 AM
Possibly it's just a matter of short strikes. I've had days like that. Yes, days like that do make me wonder what I'm doing wrong. It's hard to see them on Pyramid at times Don, things get choppy and you have to watch where the boat is going. I feel your pain......Jetspray

hooks
08-18-2018, 09:27 AM
Oh, I see them alright...they just get off before I can get the rod out of the holder. Next trip out very few lost fish.

fishwrong2
08-18-2018, 10:34 AM
Part of the game. Kind of like slot machines. You'd swear it's hot or cold after 4 or 5 straight wins or losses, but it's just the odds stacking up.

I agree with the prior comments. One more thing I've done is speed up a little. Either trolling faster or goose it when you get bit. Has the affect of setting the hooks and adding tension from line friction in the water, lessening slack chances. Think offshore saltwater. When they hook a marlin they gas it for the same reasons. Down scale obviously.

It's something to try if you get desperate. Might be more a placebo effect than physics, but if you believe it, who's to say you're wrong.

Hoping they stick better for you.

Jetspray
08-18-2018, 12:39 PM
"Kind of like slot machines"

I am no gambler, if I go to a casino I might as well drop $60 on the floor and walk away, same result. But I am still not on the "hook". Sorry Don I kind of used part of your moniker in that sentence:black_eyed::mickey:.....Jetspray

EddieTee
08-19-2018, 04:14 AM
Thanks for all the help Guy's'
Eddie Tee:unconscious:

Calikev
08-21-2018, 11:23 AM
Eddie,
Maybe I missed it but did you say what line you are running? Maybe that is the first place to start and then work from there if that doesn't fix the problem. Did the problem occur on the same rod or was it across the board on more than one rod? Knowing that will help the process of elimination until you can isolate what the issue might be.

Kevin

EddieTee
08-21-2018, 02:27 PM
Fluorocarban and on both lines

Waterdog
08-21-2018, 03:16 PM
Fluorocarbon is a great line and in most ways is superior to mono. Itís strong, abrasion resistant, invisible in water and little to no stretch. But for trolling for trout and kokes I use mono because of its stretch. Because fluoro has no stretch I find it tends often to pull the lure out of a trout or kokes mouth when trolling. On the other hand because mono stretches it tends to hook trout and kokes when trolling with downriggers. I get more hit/ sticks with mono and more hit/no stick with fluoro. I have talked to at least 2 guides who agree with me. Just my 2 cents worth. That might be why you are getting more hit, no sticks.

Mikfish
08-21-2018, 06:43 PM
I have found that choice of hooks will make or break a day of trolling. Two things I look for are size and sharpness (stickiness). Gamikatsu and Owner. I've come to the conclusion that Gami's are stronger, but Owners are sharper. But both quality hooks. I'm talking sticky sharp. It really doesn't take a significant hook set for sinking deep and holding. I use size 4 trebles for trout on spoons and size 2 octopus on hoochies etc.. They can surely get their mouth around it and have a heck of a time spitting them once they do. We all know you will not get a good hook set when trolling deep because of blowback, so you really have to rely heavily on good, sharp hooks!

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Calikev
08-22-2018, 11:49 AM
Fluorocarban and on both lines

Switch one out to mono and go from there. If that solves the problem then that wasn't too difficult. If the problem persists I would say that you would want to really check the sharpness of your hooks. I also agree that if the release is too sensitive that isn't helping either. There is that happy medium between being too loose and missing fish that don't release it. Chamberlain or Blacks work better IMO.

Kevin