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Robertash20
04-02-2019, 12:28 PM
Just so Im undertsnading this correctly.

https://www.wildlife.ca.gov/Fishing/Inland/Trout-Plan/Regulation-Simplification/Comments

Basically the whole state is opening up to year round, no regs, 5 fish limit except for very few waters. they are pulling restrictions away from waters.


Why?

I would imagine by increasing the limit places that dont get stocked these waters will be fishless in no time? also wouldnt planted waters suffer because of the need to replineish fish stocks year round?


Thoughts?
Am I reading this correctly?

fishwrong2
04-02-2019, 02:32 PM
I read it pretty close to the way you do. First, it's a proposal which hasn't been adopted, and there are opportunities to comment. Folks can take that as they will, but large organizations and politics get changes, individual rants (mine at the head of the list) normally don't get much done.

Looks like they're trying to simplify the statewide regs as opposed to districts as it is now. The list of special regulation water is 21 pages long, so it's more than a couple.

I think I heard some folks pushing back in the Eastern Sierra, wanting to keep season restrictions, and keep opening weekend a tradition for tourist dollars. I expect some of the advocacy groups will have an opinion too. My recommendation would be to join one of the fishing groups and let them know your opinion. Organizations with thousands of members have a louder voice than an individual.

I'm not sure I have an opinion on it one way or the other, but I'm sure most folks do. Let it be known.

Owlman2
04-02-2019, 05:44 PM
I am not sure how I feel about their proposal, except that I definitely would like to see the regs simplified. As they are now, it takes very, very careful reading and study of maps to know whether you are in compliance or not.....and even then sometimes I am not positive.

The law should not work like that IMHO.

Captain Compassion
04-02-2019, 07:39 PM
In my area. The end of opening day in Mono County. East and West Carson open all year. Special regs on the East Carson below Hangman's Bridge are removed. Topaz Lake open all year. This probably ain't good.

CC

Robertash20
04-03-2019, 06:13 AM
In my area. The end of opening day in Mono County. East and West Carson open all year. Special regs on the East Carson below Hangman's Bridge are removed. Topaz Lake open all year. This probably ain't good.

CC
I agree i think the West and Carson give every angler a piece of water that they can fish to their own liking. Its not hard to read and understand the regs at first glance of 90 percent of the waters we fish.

The opening waters year round especially the put and take fisheries will be suicude. basically the state will have to grow and plant more fish because anglers are fishing/keeping more. so were relying on the state in some waters.....the state......

Robertash20
04-03-2019, 06:14 AM
I read it pretty close to the way you do. First, it's a proposal which hasn't been adopted, and there are opportunities to comment. Folks can take that as they will, but large organizations and politics get changes, individual rants (mine at the head of the list) normally don't get much done.

Looks like they're trying to simplify the statewide regs as opposed to districts as it is now. The list of special regulation water is 21 pages long, so it's more than a couple.

I think I heard some folks pushing back in the Eastern Sierra, wanting to keep season restrictions, and keep opening weekend a tradition for tourist dollars. I expect some of the advocacy groups will have an opinion too. My recommendation would be to join one of the fishing groups and let them know your opinion. Organizations with thousands of members have a louder voice than an individual.

I'm not sure I have an opinion on it one way or the other, but I'm sure most folks do. Let it be known.

I have responded on the website, but i doubt one guy will do anything. How are some waters going to handle all year and what happens to those waters with trophy fish because of special regs.....those are just dinner i guess.

Snowtrout
04-03-2019, 11:19 AM
There are meetings taking place throughout the state the next few weeks to discuss the proposed regs. I am going to the one tonight in Fresno. Will post a reply later about what was said.

There are a few that concern me, both locally and the Eastern Sierra. #1 for me: changing Mammoth Pool, closed May 1-June 15 (1 1/2 months) to closed March through May (nearly three months) :foottap:

fishwrong2
04-03-2019, 11:46 AM
I have responded on the website, but i doubt one guy will do anything. How are some waters going to handle all year and what happens to those waters with trophy fish because of special regs.....those are just dinner i guess.


There will still be special regulations on specific waters. I think there are 20 some odd pages of special reg. waters, but I didn't read through to see any in particular. I'm assuming from other posts, some of their favorite waters which currently have special regulations aren't proposed to, but I haven't looked up any in particular.

Robertash20
04-03-2019, 12:13 PM
There will still be special regulations on specific waters. I think there are 20 some odd pages of special reg. waters, but I didn't read through to see any in particular. I'm assuming from other posts, some of their favorite waters which currently have special regulations aren't proposed to, but I haven't looked up any in particular.


two of my favorite are on there. I like the current regs

Captain Compassion
04-03-2019, 06:45 PM
I don't thank that most California fishermen are effected by these proposed changes. Those living and fishing in Inyo, Mono, Alpine and in some places in NE California will be profoundly effected by this. Not many voters in these areas,

CC

Spinner
04-04-2019, 07:15 AM
That is one messed up state!

Snowtrout
04-04-2019, 08:39 AM
Went to the meeting last night in Fresno. The changes are because there are many different seasons for trout fishing, leading to the regs being confusing for many people. Basically, too many special interest group have had their proposals implemented, creating one hot mess of a reg book.

They idea is to simplify the seasons to: open all year, closed all year, open end of May to end of Feb, open end of May to Sept, open end of Sept to end of May. The March-end of May closure is primarily to protect spring spawning trout (goldens, rainbows, cutts). Limits and size restrictions are also proposed to simplify things.

One thing the presenters from the DFW stressed is these changes are an idea, not set in stone and can be changed to what anglers and communities want or would like. At the Bishop meeting, the eastern Sierra community didn't like the season changes and preferred the traditional end of April through Nov 15, primarily for economic reasons (no space to sell both ski and fishing equipment at the same time), so it is possible those dates will return and be retained for that area.

So, if you do not like something that is being proposed, make it known. Give specific reasons how the proposed regs will affect angling for you and the area. Don't just say "I don't like it." This was said by the DFW speakers directly. Here is the link to the page that has the online comment form to make your voice heard: https://www.wildlife.ca.gov/Fishing/Inland/Trout-Plan/Regulation-Simplification

The DFW Commission, who makes the final decision on the regs, will be presented the recommendations in August.

Robertash20
04-04-2019, 09:41 AM
Went to the meeting last night in Fresno. The changes are because there are many different seasons for trout fishing, leading to the regs being confusing for many people. Basically, too many special interest group have had their proposals implemented, creating one hot mess of a reg book.

They idea is to simplify the seasons to: open all year, closed all year, open end of May to end of Feb, open end of May to Sept, open end of Sept to end of May. The March-end of May closure is primarily to protect spring spawning trout (goldens, rainbows, cutts). Limits and size restrictions are also proposed to simplify things.

One thing the presenters from the DFW stressed is these changes are an idea, not set in stone and can be changed to what anglers and communities want or would like. At the Bishop meeting, the eastern Sierra community didn't like the season changes and preferred the traditional end of April through Nov 15, primarily for economic reasons (no space to sell both ski and fishing equipment at the same time), so it is possible those dates will return and be retained for that area.

So, if you do not like something that is being proposed, make it known. Give specific reasons how the proposed regs will affect angling for you and the area. Don't just say "I don't like it." This was said by the DFW speakers directly. Here is the link to the page that has the online comment form to make your voice heard: https://www.wildlife.ca.gov/Fishing/Inland/Trout-Plan/Regulation-Simplification

The DFW Commission, who makes the final decision on the regs, will be presented the recommendations in August.

I do think that there are so many fishing opportunities with the current regs that it allows a little something for everyone. I didnt know we needed changes you know?

Thanks for all the info!!!

stefanoflo
04-04-2019, 09:48 AM
Did anyone mention going back to Planting Un-sterile fish and having the season Start after the spawn ???? till say November ?? because the more you go then the less fish we get and You all Know the Fees will go up the same . fishing all season is Not a way to save fish but to deplete the system of the fish . how many times have we heard the DFW say we have a Budget crisis and we have to reduce out Plants or the feed for hatchery fish are to Much or we have a drought of sorts they they Just screw up and forget to run the pumps at the raceways and Kill fish or even have a Fish kill because they want one or a flood comes and wiped out the fish hatchery and they have no Money to fix Crap but yet for some reason Our State has money to Build Shelter and give some, free healthcare and education???? Come one now!! lets not play Stupid!!!!With all The Biologist that are Experts in there Field they should know what is best for the Fish and regulations to keep the species to flourish!! Regulations are a mess because those that Don`t fish are making them! and Special Interest Groups with Coin Help make those choices.

Snowtrout
04-04-2019, 10:50 AM
This year was about clarifying and streamlining the regs. Next year is about hatcheries.

I did ask about diploid/triploid fish. Answer from one of the biologist was "depending on body of water, it's relation to native trout and needs of that fishery will determine whether diploid or triploid trout will be planted." Both are currently being planted throughout the state. I also asked if goldens or cutts could be planted (maybe instead of rainbows) outside of their range to extend angler opportunities and was told "it could be possible to plant trout species (dip or trip) IF there is a desire in an area and IF they have enough eggs from broodstock." More on that conversation next year when hatcheries become the focus.

One other point made at the meeting was that the current trend of many anglers to catch and release without any retention was actually hurting many bodies of water. If no fish are kept, population increases, competition for food increases, leading to a smaller grade of fish. Kirman lake was an example given. The brooks have actually become smaller due to the planting of cutts (which one DFW person at the meeting wanted to stop) and anglers are not keeping the fish they could.

Again, lots of info at the meeting. And like at last year's meeting, the DFW representatives seem very open minded to what the local and state anglers want to see. For the first time in a very long time, DFW wants to hear from us and what we want, so make your voice heard by filling out the comments online or attending one of the public comment meetings.

Jetspray
04-04-2019, 06:40 PM
That is one messed up state!Ours is going the same way, tons of gun laws and restrictions of them to us, trying to make the legislature year round again, trying to start a state income tax, getting rid of prostitution and their revenues, trying to put more taxes on Casino's and Hotels without permission of the voters. What's next from the dummycrats, tax the air? It is just as messed up here too......Jetspray

hooks
04-05-2019, 04:43 AM
Ours is going the same way, tons of gun laws and restrictions of them to us, trying to make the legislature year round again, trying to start a state income tax, getting rid of prostitution and their revenues, trying to put more taxes on Casino's and Hotels without permission of the voters. What's next from the dummycrats, tax the air? It is just as messed up here too......Jetspray

Remember the "Education Initiative" bill that the voters turned down a while back, by a huge margin? The legislators passed it anyway. So much for input from the "people".

https://www.atr.org/nevada-legislature-vetoes-voters-and-passes-largest-tax-hike-state-history

Owlman2
04-05-2019, 07:12 AM
I guess we are veering into a tangent, but so many people in this country have apparently decided big government socialism is what they want.

Jetspray
04-05-2019, 07:38 AM
Remember the "Education Initiative" bill that the voters turned down a while back, by a huge margin? The legislators passed it anyway. So much for input from the "people".

https://www.atr.org/nevada-legislature-vetoes-voters-and-passes-largest-tax-hike-state-historyWhy vote? It means nothing anyway, and everyone is the "rich guy/gal", those are all of us who have money or a job. This would include everyone working for the state government with exception of those with large salaries and position or power...…..Jetspray

Jetspray
04-05-2019, 07:43 AM
I guess we are veering into a tangent, but so many people in this country have apparently decided big government socialism is what they want.In the 1930's it was called fascism or NAZI'ism, and did that help the world grow. It is not a tangent it is a direction and the Demmynuts are running the show right into the ground...….Jetspray

Snowtrout
04-05-2019, 10:11 AM
Go to a meeting (if possible), listen to the reasons for why change is being proposed, then ask questions and state your opinion about the proposed regs to the DFW reps there. You don't like something, make your voice heard by filling out the form at the meeting or clicking on https://www.wildlife.ca.gov/Fishing/Inland/Trout-Plan/Regulation-Simplification/comments.

Again, from the first few meetings, change to the regs has already happened because of anglers comments and concerns.


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panther
04-09-2019, 05:12 PM
I'm going to attend the meeting in Sacramento tomorrow. I want to hear the proposed changes and will speak out, if necessary, on a few issues. Here are a few of my thoughts prior to the meeting:

1. Leave the Eastern Sierra seasons as they are...no changes. I make three trips a year to that area. I'll stand up for its interests.
2. I will be against year-round fishing in areas where it doesn't currently exist. I don't think that planting will keep up with fish depletion that will occur due to year-round fishing.
3. Plant diploids rather than triploids as much as possible. At least some diploids will survive and be able to reproduce future generations. With triploid planting we are completely dependent on stocking. It seems like non-sterile fish (diploids) would be cheaper for hatcheries to raise because they do not need to be sterilized. If so, this would mean that the same amount of dollars would produce more hatchery fish.
4. I have caught rainbows, brookies, german browns, cutthroats and goldens. If the state wants to plant more cutthroats because they were "native" in some waters, that's fine with me.

Any thoughts? Are my points okay, or do you disagree with some of them?

Robertash20
04-10-2019, 06:30 AM
I'm going to attend the meeting in Sacramento tomorrow. I want to hear the proposed changes and will speak out, if necessary, on a few issues. Here are a few of my thoughts prior to the meeting:

1. Leave the Eastern Sierra seasons as they are...no changes. I make three trips a year to that area. I'll stand up for its interests.
2. I will be against year-round fishing in areas where it doesn't currently exist. I don't think that planting will keep up with fish depletion that will occur due to year-round fishing.
3. Plant diploids rather than triploids as much as possible. At least some diploids will survive and be able to reproduce future generations. With triploid planting we are completely dependent on stocking. It seems like non-sterile fish (diploids) would be cheaper for hatcheries to raise because they do not need to be sterilized. If so, this would mean that the same amount of dollars would produce more hatchery fish.
4. I have caught rainbows, brookies, german browns, cutthroats and goldens. If the state wants to plant more cutthroats because they were "native" in some waters, that's fine with me.

Any thoughts? Are my points okay, or do you disagree with some of them?


Ya i agree on all your points. i think they should leave wild trout or 0 limit areas alone as well. those are basically all wild fish. Look at the Montana Model. They dont stock fish and have very small keep limits. There are fish everywhere in that state

Snowtrout
04-10-2019, 11:17 AM
Panther, all good questions to ask. I asked very similar questions and was given detailed answers. The CDFW will probably remind all in attendance at the meeting that this year is about regulation changes, next year about hatcheries.

The real fight I believe will be next year. Those hatchery meetings next year will likely highlight the differences in people's perceptions (general public and special interest groups) about how one perceives planted, wild and native trout, the role of diploids/triploids, and where different species of trout should, could or cannot be planted. Arrive early and bring popcorn :snacker:

panther
04-17-2019, 09:22 AM
I attended the meeting in Sacramento, and learned that if we have any chance at all to stop some of the proposed regulations, the most effective way to do so is to submit comments online. The site to access is wildlife.ca.gov. I just submitted my comments. There are special regulations proposed for many different fisheries. I commented on each fishery that I know and care about. I am as cynical as the next guy as to how much our voice is really wanted, but rather than sit on the sidelines I decided to give my honest input.

I hope that some of you will also comment. The deadline to submit our comments in May 3.

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Mr Ed
07-25-2019, 06:21 AM
An across the board limit will cut out .............
all the cudda, wudda, I thought, crap and make it easier to write out tickets if you are over five fish, plus....

there can always be special Reg's for special waters or fish, if needed.

I just hope they don't get crazy and go "Barbless" and lower hook sizes.

Jetspray
07-25-2019, 08:12 AM
An across the board limit will cut out .............
all the cudda, wudda, I thought, crap and make it easier to write out tickets if you are over five fish, plus....

there can always be special Reg's for special waters or fish, if needed.

I just hope they don't get crazy and go "Barbless" and lower hook sizes.Maybe waterproof stick'em with extra stick will help.:smug::wink::redface-new:..….Jetspray