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fishrite
05-15-2019, 08:50 PM
Hello
i am buying 2 line counter reels this weekend this came across to me

spool up with braided line and the last part with monofilament

for me this would be new this way

i always done all monofilament

I troll for trout and some koks depending temps I use downriggers can I ask for some input in this matter

Thank you

Jetspray
05-16-2019, 04:34 AM
I tie my mainline super braid to a Spro swivel then to the mono leader, never longer than the rod. Always make sure your counter is set to zero by the lure in the water first, reset every time. As far as lures, depths, speed, it all depends on the day as you know. I have a handheld GPS as well as a depth finder GPS and use those for speed. Since I have a panther control for my T-8 I can move around and if I am sitting in the steering wheel area I have a ski mirror mounted to see forward while I sit there, avoids collisions, and I can watch the FF easier under the cover. When trout fishing with DR's I use shuttle hawks so I don't have to bring up the DR ball every time, and retrievers on the DR line. Have fun either way.:7419ne::yoda1:.....Jetspray

Snowtrout
05-16-2019, 05:19 AM
If you are using braid as your backing, either spool on 20-30í of mono first or wrap the spool a few times with electrical tape before tying on the braid. Both ways provide bite for the braid to hold on to the spool. If you tie braid directly to the spool without doing the above, the braid will most likely slip and spin on the spool, acting like your drag is malfunctioning.

Add a top shot/leader of your favorite mono/fluoro and you are good.

hooks
05-16-2019, 06:35 AM
​Definitely use the electrical tape. I tie the braid on the spool first, then add about 4" of electrical tape over the braid and wind it on with the reel handle. Either way works.

Also wind the braid onto the reel under pressure or it may dig into itself on the reel.

I use Power Pro 20lb and a 15 yard top shot of 15lb. Seaguar InvisX fluorocarbon tied with a double uni knot. Depending on the type of fishing, you may want to go lighter.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMLa0vHZzMs

firetrout
05-16-2019, 07:54 AM
I never had good luck using braid, while trying to clip it to the downrigger clip. It always slipped. Not a big expense to change out to all mono.

RHansen95693
05-16-2019, 09:27 AM
I spooled 4 rigs with a light braid about a month ago and just switched back to the mono. One problem was that line was too thin for the downrigger clips and it would release with the smallest amount of pressure.....it's just different to work with after fishing for years with the old fashioned stuff.

Snowtrout
05-16-2019, 10:17 AM
A problem many have when first switching over to braid is the belief that if one used 10lb mono, one should then buy/use 10lb braid. People don't realize or forget that 10lb braid is the diameter of 2lb mono. So how braid acts on a reel, acts in water and acts in a downrigger clip will be different than the mono they are familiar with.

After trying many different sizes of braid in a variety of conditions and techniques, in my opinion, 30lb braid is probably the best size for trout anglers who want it on a bait casting reel for trolling. Small diameter but holds good in a downrigger clip, has more body than smaller test lines and can take a bit more abuse (downrigger clips, debris, structure, etc) without breaking than smaller lines due to its slightly larger diameter. Plus, it's a little easier to see for the older guys when tying leaders on.

Braid is a great tool to use, just need to understand how it can work for you.

Jetspray
05-16-2019, 11:06 AM
Main thing with clips and DR's is to make a loop of maybe 4 o 5 twists of the line before you put it in. Also pull on it to see if you need to adjust the tension of the clip. Since it is more slick than mono it does cause some problems especially with ties to other lines or swivels or duo-lock type setups. I have found that some knots work and some do not, a dab of super glue can help but I usually just make a good knot...ÖJetspray

Waterdog
05-16-2019, 11:32 AM
The great debate of braid vs. mono. Everyone has their own preferences. For me I like to keep things simple and easy. For trout and Koke trolling I use mono, no braid. Iíve been doing that for 20 plus years , I know how it works and feel comfortable with mono. I use braid for other things but not trout/kokes. Iíve never had any problems with breakage or frayed line, mostly because I generally troll in deep water and thereís nothing there for the line to rub against and get frayed.
What I really like about mono besides the simplicity of using it is itís stretch. The stretch allows me to hook more fish. The stretch actually helps hook the fish where braid without the stretch can pull the lure out of the fishes mouth. I understand that you attach mono to the end of the braid and therefore have stretch but again for me itís just simpler and easier to use all mono. I havenít lost line or fish as far as I know due to using all mono. But everyone has their own ideas and preferences. So do what you think is best for you, what works best for you. Just my 2 cents worth.

Ldubs
05-22-2019, 10:26 PM
The great debate of braid vs. mono. Everyone has their own preferences. For me I like to keep things simple and easy. For trout and Koke trolling I use mono, no braid. Iíve been doing that for 20 plus years , I know how it works and feel comfortable with mono. I use braid for other things but not trout/kokes. Iíve never had any problems with breakage or frayed line, mostly because I generally troll in deep water and thereís nothing there for the line to rub against and get frayed.
What I really like about mono besides the simplicity of using it is itís stretch. The stretch allows me to hook more fish. The stretch actually helps hook the fish where braid without the stretch can pull the lure out of the fishes mouth. I understand that you attach mono to the end of the braid and therefore have stretch but again for me itís just simpler and easier to use all mono. I havenít lost line or fish as far as I know due to using all mono. But everyone has their own ideas and preferences. So do what you think is best for you, what works best for you. Just my 2 cents worth.

I feel the same and agree with the stretch being a benefit. I've never had a break with mono. I do probably change it out more than I need but it is relatively inexpensive. In reality, I'm so used to mono that I just don't want to change. Though I have started using fluoro leaders.

Mikfish
05-26-2019, 12:56 PM
​Definitely use the electrical tape. I tie the braid on the spool first, then add about 4" of electrical tape over the braid and wind it on with the reel handle. Either way works.

Also wind the braid onto the reel under pressure or it may dig into itself on the reel.

I use Power Pro 20lb and a 15 yard top shot of 15lb. Seaguar InvisX fluorocarbon tied with a double uni knot. Depending on the type of fishing, you may want to go lighter.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMLa0vHZzMsI use your method to a T. except I join braid to fluoro with an Alberto knot. I feel with a good flexible rod the long 50' seaguar fluoro leader gives you enough stretch & invisibility when you need it, but can still turn a fish with the strength of braid backing. Plus small diameter braid cuts the water better It's a winner trolling setup.

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hooks
05-26-2019, 01:20 PM
I use your method to a T. except I join braid to fluoro with an Alberto knot. I feel with a good flexible rod the long 50' seaguar fluoro leader gives you enough stretch & invisibility when you need it, but can still turn a fish with the strength of braid backing. Plus small diameter braid cuts the water better It's a winner trolling setup.

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Thanks for the tip on the alberto knot. I checked it out on youtube and it looks like it is easier to tie. I'm going to retie with that knot.

hooks
05-26-2019, 02:15 PM
Very easy to tie and tiny and strong

Thanks again

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Koke Machine83
05-26-2019, 07:37 PM
I want a little stretch with Mono. Special Kokanee, they have super soft mouths. Trout start head shaking near the boat and have some great runs when first hooked. You have a nice soft rod and smooth drags. I have used only Mono with great results. If its not Broke,!!! Robbie

Mikfish
05-26-2019, 08:05 PM
Thanks for the tip on the alberto knot. I checked it out on youtube and it looks like it is easier to tie. I'm going to retie with that knot.It is much easier and that's why I switched. Nothing wrong with a double uni, great knot.. but when hands are cold.. ya know? 5 wraps up & 5 back makes for a small knot that won't catch up in the guides.

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Mikfish
05-26-2019, 08:55 PM
I want a little stretch with Mono. Special Kokanee, they have super soft mouths. Trout start head shaking near the boat and have some great runs when first hooked. You have a nice soft rod and smooth drags. I have used only Mono with great results. If its not Broke,!!! RobbieI couldn't agree more, if it works for you, no need to change. If I targeted kokes more often, I'd probably use mono. What wasn't working for me with those trout headshakes and jumps was size 4 trebles or smaller. Lose tension once and bye bye. I started using 2's then to 1's. I know, sounds crazy [emoji2957] but once they get their mouth over it they're usually pinned for good. Other reason I went bigger was to keep off the dinks.. but even they often get all of it. So I stayed with bigger hooks and it resulted in fewer lost fish.

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HONEYBEE
05-31-2019, 03:04 PM
Nice looking knot!!