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metalmouth
03-05-2009, 04:29 PM
This is a reprint of Dan Bacher's post from the Issues Board.

Please keep this conversation civil or it will be put back to the Issues Board.

Thanks, Ghostfish_slayer, Double D, Ron and MM.


Assemblywoman Jean Fuller, R-Bakersfield, introduced a bill Friday to address the declining endangered Delta smelt population, which has led to a court-ordered reduction in water exports from the Sacramento-San Joaquin Delta.

AB 1253 would lift fishing restrictions on the striped bass, a non-native species of fish that the water agencies claim preys on the smelt, as well as the endangered Chinook salmon and steelhead trout.

Fuller acknowledged the bill won't solve the state's water problems on its own but said it is a step that could be taken with little or no cost.

"This bill is just trying to strike a balance," Fuller said in a press release. "The state's water system is failing and we are taking all these steps to alleviate the impact on endangered fish, which has a major effect on people up and down the state that don't have enough water."

The bill is sponsored by the Modesto Irrigation District and also supported by the Kern County Water Agency. Here is a bill summary:



California Legislature—2009–10 Regular Session

ASSEMBLY BILL No. 1253

Introduced by Assembly Member Fuller

February 27, 2009

An act to amend Sections 711.4, 2363, 2764, 7361, 7856, 8370, 8371, 8670, 8685.5, 8685.6, 8685.7, 8756, and 15301 of, to add Section 2305 to, and to repeal Section 2359 of, the Fish and Game Code, and to amend Section 5841.5 of the Public Resources Code, relating to fish.

ASSEMBLY BILL No. 1253
Introduced by Assembly Member Fuller
February 27, 2009
An act to amend Sections 711.4, 2363, 2764, 7361, 7856, 8370, 8371,
8670, 8685.5, 8685.6, 8685.7, 8756, and 15301 of, to add Section 2305 to, and to repeal Section 2359 of, the Fish and Game Code, and to amend Section 5841.5 of the Public Resources Code, relating to fish.


legislative counsel’s digest

AB 1253, as introduced, Fuller. Striped bass.

Existing law regulating fishing imposes various restrictions on the
take, transport, and sale of specified fish, including striped bass.
Existing law, until January 1, 2010, requires the funds generated by
the imposition of a Bay-Delta Sport Fishing Enhancement Stamp or
validation to be deposited in a separate account in the Fish and Game
Preservation Fund, to be used solely for the long term, sustainable
benefit of the primary Bay-Delta sport fisheries, as specified, including
the striped bass fishery.

This bill would prohibit a person from possessing, importing, shipping,
or transporting in the state, or placing, planting, or causing to be placed
or planted in any water within the state, striped bass. The bill would
subject any person who violates that prohibition, or who resists, delays,
obstructs, or interferes with its implementation, to a civil penalty of not less than $500 and not more than $10,000. The bill would require the Department of Fish and Game to adopt regulations to carry out those provisions. The bill would delete striped bass from various existing provisions restricting the take, transport, and sale of specified fish.

The bill would delete the striped bass fishery from the fisheries for which Bay-Delta Sport Fishing Enhancement Stamp revenues are to be used.

Vote: majority. Appropriation: no. Fiscal committee: yes.
State-mandated local program: no.

bigeasy8240
03-17-2009, 11:49 AM
I think the salmon require our attention more than a non-native! Seems drastic, but they will survive. :-?

shadbuster
03-17-2009, 06:46 PM
Both salmon and stripers need our protection from people who want to irresponsibly pump more water from the delta, don't you find it strange that a representative all the way from Bakersfield introduced this bill and not a local Assemblyperson? What is her sudden interest with a little fish many miles away from her district? Its all smoke and mirrors trying to blame the decline of the Delta Smelt on everything but the real cause, the irresponsible pumping of delta water.

isdaann
03-19-2009, 05:51 AM
you just have to see who is sponsoring this, MODESTO IRRGATION DISTRICT, desert farmers begging for water!

Striper and Salmon did just fine in the 50's. It's the damn dams and exporting water to southern california that killed our river.

grifo121
03-22-2009, 02:50 PM
you just have to see who is sponsoring this, MODESTO IRRGATION DISTRICT, desert farmers begging for water!

Striper and Salmon did just fine in the 50's. *It's the darn dams and exporting water to southern california that killed our river.

Not sure about that, Most of California's large damns were built during the 50's and 60's, so all of the rivers flows changed and the Fish and Game didn't really know how to manage them. The fact that California appoints a F&G manager and most have no F&G background has always been a problem. Our waters have not been managed for 50 years and now we are seeing the results.

There is no reason we can't have better Salmon runs it's just based on good management. You notice how all of the past history the F&G uses only goes back 10-15 years??? This shell game of data allows the F&G to do a poor job year after year. Oh the numbers are only off 10-15% ....... well after 60 years they have run out of fish counts. They should have always been comparing the data back to the high counts in the 30-40's this raises the bar and keeps them working hard to maintain what we had.

The whole system is a joke... the day that they voted to send the majority of your fishing license money to the general fund was the end of any chance of management, with no money they just sit behind computers making spread sheets. In short the flows south effect it but the lack of managment is the major cause.

gregorjim
04-04-2009, 05:59 PM
I think the salmon require our attention more than a non-native! *Seems drastic, but they will survive. *:-?
This is exactly what Fuller (R) wanted done ..to Split The salmon & bass guys down the middle..If you were well informed as to whats been going on down south for decades , you would realize its the water grab..I will give you a short version...Big business bought water shortage.land down south at extremely low prices.Then tru pressure with politicions got the canal going south..And guess what happened..Water & cheap land = Rich businessmen even more..Then they decided this is pretty good...Lets keep doing it till someone stops us..They pushed Campaign funds to the right people running for governor... Which in turn got the results of bigger canals to the south..But due to heavy opposition from delta people & fishgroups who finally saw whats going on..Even the so cal people voted it down..The governor at the time Deukmejian if you're not too young to remember had fought hard to pay back HIS dept to the Agri- growers..And when the people he supposed to really represent voted against him ...Next day, the papers said " we'll keep putting it on the ballot til it passes".. so much for the popular voters...Then we now have Developers building Citys in deserts with the promise of water for all those lawns & pools...Gee...you think the businessmen got richer again?? In the nmeantime our delta kept shrinking & fish also...We kept complaining to no avail...The heavy water crops ( cotton ) & Etc...Even when we got the endangered smelt , which would ordinarily stop any issue if itwas you or me, & hope was near...Guess what its still going on...Even when the judges said to stop the pumps during fish escapement times & was agreed to by the water people, was showned to have secret pumpings anyway..Did you ever see the Movbie " CHINATOWN"...It wasn't fiction pal.. Money rules KeEps people in office or out if they don't toe the line... Remember who puts the DFG director in office? yes its the Governator...And all the critical decisions he makes...Now we have a senator who creates a bill to iradicate the fish we're all trying tosave...And guess whose buddy she is? Yes you win again ...Its the growers down south..wouldn't you like to see the real campaign fund books! But what the hell.. she figures it might work & destroys the opposition & Maybe...Maybe even split the fish groups by saying the bass are at fault.. What happened years ago when there were millions of bass & salmon existing together fine.......Sooooo when you say its probably better that the bass go away, then you're working for them huh??...By the way..these bass were the best thing the DFG ever ratified with the ok of bringing them from the east coast..And don't tell me they're not from this state.... Our wonderfull governor certainly wasn't either..He can't even pronounce the state..Its California...NOT...Kally fornia......And didn't he run foroffice on the presumption that he couldn't be bought . causehe was rich already?? Funny how things change , once you're in office...So don't tell me whats better for the salmon..I'm a lot older than you & little bit wiser... :Jim

Double_D
04-05-2009, 06:15 AM
I think the salmon require our attention more than a non-native! *Seems drastic, but they will survive. *:-?

[smiley=foottap.gif]

jrebel
04-05-2009, 07:05 AM
I think there are many ways to go about the same task, however this is not the right way.

ghostfish_slayer
04-05-2009, 09:47 AM
i think this is not just a striper bill.. it may come out looking that way but i am sure it will include other species that we all like to fish, c&r or even harvest.. many fishermen don't even know about this yet. if you support it or not that is your decission.. atleast it will be known about and maybe have a chance to be challanged by fishermen along with the many other issues they are trying to slip by fishermen in ca... i think they need to get rid of that bill myself..

gregorjim
04-05-2009, 12:47 PM
http://www.calsport.org/cspa3-18-09.htm

If you really want to do something to save your Striprts Check out this CSPA site..They've made it very simple to respond with sample letters & mail..It's the most informative orginization fighting for the Delta & fisheries..Click on the above link & it will lead you to aaddress links also.. Ifthis bill passes, their next step is other species, such as Large & small mouth bass, then crappie..They want to stop all opposition to the water grab..They don't care about our fantastic Delta & fishery, only the water it has You have to do your part nowwith letters &emails It only takes a few minutes & you'll definenatly feel good about yourselfs..If not than you'll have a lot of time to think, since the fish will be just a memory..If we move now, we can have this AB1253 removed ..before it goes to committee..We're starting to get things going in courts with judges
Lets keep the ball going...Jim

primaz
04-06-2009, 08:12 PM
What everyone needs to do is just use this letter, edit it as you like if you want, sign it, include your FULL address and fax it ASAP! This bill will kill stripers forever! Salmon, Stripers, Delta Smelt all lived together and thrived until their water was stolen to grow cotton and other water hungry crops we should not grow in our CA central valley!

FYI, this bill also sets up all other non native species to be killed off! Did you know that large mouth black bass, small mouth blacke bass, several species of trout & catfish, blue gills, and many more are all non native to CA!

*************************************************

Assembly Member Jared Huffman, Chair
Assembly Committee on Water, Parks & Wildlife
1020 N Street, Suite 160
Sacramento, CA 94249

Fax 916-319-2196

Dear Assembly Member Jared Huffman,

As a California angler, voter and taxpayer, I strongly oppose AB 1253, the bill introduced by Assembly member Fuller, intending to delist and remove support of the striped bass as a California game fish.

This is a terrible bill as my opinion is that the real issues are the excessive amounts of water being pumped to the Central Valley growing many plants that we should not grow here in CA like cotton! CA is supposed to be green and to me that means we should re-evaluate the types of crops we grow to ensure that Striped Bass, Salmon, and delta smelt all thrive once more as they have in the past.

The striped bass, a fish legally introduced to the State by the California Fish and Game Commission, established itself as one of the state's premier game fish and coexisted in harmony for over 130 years with the state's native fishes. Even in the 1930's when the striped bass population was believed to exceed 12 million adult fish and the species was fished commercially, the fish did not impact the state's salmon stocks or the health of the delta's fisheries including the delta smelt and the long fin smelt.

The striped bass fishery along with the Chinook salmon, steelhead, delta smelt, long fin smelt, American Shad, green sturgeon, white sturgeon fisheries only began to decline with the operation of the State Water Project and the Central Valley Project in the late 1960's. As exports have increased, the populations of all of these fishes has crashed to all time historical lows with the delta smelt now on the endangered species list, the long fin smelt threatened, the Chinook salmon run the lowest in history. The current striped bass populations are also at historical lows.

The striped bass is a fish of legend and has been a part of California's angling heritage for 130 years. AB 1253, a bill sponsored by a number of water districts is an obvious attempt to transfer the blame of the decline of California's once great fisheries to one of the species that made the California Delta one of the greatest fisheries on earth instead of their insatiable demand for larger and larger amounts of delta water. They realize that if the delta's fisheries can be destroyed, it is one less reason to obstruct the draining of the delta for subsidized agribusiness farming.

Please vote this bill down when it comes before your committee. If passed, it will do nothing to restore California's once great fisheries and will cause the destruction of one of California's greatest game fish. We travel to CA and the Delta to fish and if this bill is passed those tourism dollars will be lost.

Sincerely,

Ash
04-08-2009, 08:50 AM
The whole thing makes me sick...... between this legislation and the one in marin that is looking at shuting down 3/4 of lawsons landing at dilloin beach to save some plant and the ones facing gun owners its seems that outdoorsmen in general are the easy target these day's.

I was born and raised in California. and loved it here. And have been a standing member with the Native sons of the golden west for years, which help preserve our historical landmarks. so i do belive in conservation. But it seems that every time you turn around there is some new bill the Berkleyits or the rest of the liberal's in California are trying to screw us on. And if its not them its the ones with wallets that are so fat they cannot fold it to put in there back pocket because of some kickback from some deal that scratch one of there friends back's from college. And now that the Obama train has pulled into town we all better watch out. because you have state full of Dem's wanting to pass anything and everything under the sun to help regulat everything we do. Obama been in office for a couple of months and look at the big push on all of this.. just remeber Obama still has four years to serve and protect us from our self's..

Just needed to #itch.. Thanks
[we need to stick togather as outdoorsmen and pay attention as we are to help protect us and our kids from these outlandish legislations]

tarbuckle
04-08-2009, 12:36 PM
[we need to stick togather as outdoorsmen

That will never happen as long as fishing groups support legislation that limits or eliminates "other" outdoor activities. By doing so they divide us.

primaz
04-08-2009, 01:07 PM
A group of volunteers have launched a PETITION SITE for BUSINESSES to sign on in opposition to AB1253.

The site is

www.saveourstripers.org

Please check it out and pass it on to any and all businesses you can think of who might want to sign on. Every business from marinas, to boat dealers and repair shops to bait and tackle shops.

Apologies if posting this web address breaches any protocol but this site does not solicit or take money and is purely for the purposes of helping to protect our Pacific Coast striper fishery from a potentially DEADLY threat.

metalmouth
04-08-2009, 05:12 PM
primaz, welcome to the Sniffer! ;)

MM

Double_D
04-08-2009, 11:28 PM
One post here is getting a little too political, let's keep it Anti Striper Legislation and not bash the right or left..........

Ash
04-09-2009, 07:22 AM
Sorry Double D sometimes its hard not to get political, when the subject is political....

Anyway going fishing today [smiley=fishing1.gif]up at Conn Dam, still waiting on the stripers in the river here. threw swim baits for about four days, one or two hours a day with not much results.. think the water temp's still down a little.... [smiley=cold.gif]

tomaurand
04-09-2009, 07:53 AM
Not sure if you guys are aware of this, but here are a couple more groups that are actively pursuing the cause:

Black Bass Action Committee - Bass Classics of Santa Clara - California Fly Fishers Unlimited
California Fisheries Restoration Foundation - California Sportfishing Protection Alliance
California Trout - California Striped Bass Association - Chico Flyfishers - Coastside Fishing Club
Crockett Striped Bass Club - Delta Fly Fishers - Diablo Valley Fly Fishermen — E.C. Powell Fly Fishers - Fishery Foundation of California - Fly Fishers for Conservation
Fly Fishers of Davis - Friends of Butte Creek - Golden Gate Angling & Casting Club
Granite Bay Flycasters - Gold Country Fly Fishers - Grizzly Peak Flyfishers
Golden West Women Flyfishers - Mission Peak Fly Anglers - Monterey Peninsula Flycasters
NCC - Federation of Fly Fishers - NORCAL Kayak Anglers - North Coast Fishermen’s Assoc
Pacific Coast Federation of Fishermen’s Association - Palo Alto Flyfishers
Pasadena Casting Club - Peninsula Fly Fishers - Recreational Fishing Alliance
San Jose Flycasters - Salmon Restoration Assoc. - Santa Cruz Fly Fisherman - San Jose Flycasters
Shasta Fly Fishers - SWC - Federation of Fly Fishers - Tracy Fly Fishers
Trout Unlimited of California - Tri-Valley Fly Fishers
United Anglers of California -
United Pier & Shore Anglers of Calif.
USA Fishing - Wilderness Fly Fishers

primaz
04-09-2009, 08:09 PM
It is good to see other groups saying they are opposing it! The key thing that matters is, Are their members faxing or snail mailing letters to the Assembly Committee? It takes both groups and people to lobby but without showing the politicians there are huge numbers of fisherman and business owners whom oppose it, they might not vote our way.

I hope everyone has faxed a letter to the committee? Here is one already to go just sign, address it and fax it (feel free to edit as you like to give it a personal touch)

*************************************************

Assembly Member Jared Huffman, Chair
Assembly Committee on Water, Parks & Wildlife
1020 N Street, Suite 160
Sacramento, CA 94249

Fax 916-319-2196

Dear Assembly Member Jared Huffman,

As a California angler, voter and taxpayer, I strongly oppose AB 1253, the bill introduced by Assembly member Fuller, intending to delist and remove support of the striped bass as a California game fish.

This is a terrible bill as my opinion is that the real issues are the excessive amounts of water being pumped to the Central Valley growing many plants that we should not grow here in CA like cotton! CA is supposed to be green and to me that means we should re-evaluate the types of crops we grow to ensure that Striped Bass, Salmon, and delta smelt all thrive once more as they have in the past.

The striped bass, a fish legally introduced to the State by the California Fish and Game Commission, established itself as one of the state's premier game fish and coexisted in harmony for over 130 years with the state's native fishes. Even in the 1930's when the striped bass population was believed to exceed 12 million adult fish and the species was fished commercially, the fish did not impact the state's salmon stocks or the health of the delta's fisheries including the delta smelt and the long fin smelt.

The striped bass fishery along with the Chinook salmon, steelhead, delta smelt, long fin smelt, American Shad, green sturgeon, white sturgeon fisheries only began to decline with the operation of the State Water Project and the Central Valley Project in the late 1960's. As exports have increased, the populations of all of these fishes has crashed to all time historical lows with the delta smelt now on the endangered species list, the long fin smelt threatened, the Chinook salmon run the lowest in history. The current striped bass populations are also at historical lows.

The striped bass is a fish of legend and has been a part of California's angling heritage for 130 years. AB 1253, a bill sponsored by a number of water districts is an obvious attempt to transfer the blame of the decline of California's once great fisheries to one of the species that made the California Delta one of the greatest fisheries on earth instead of their insatiable demand for larger and larger amounts of delta water. They realize that if the delta's fisheries can be destroyed, it is one less reason to obstruct the draining of the delta for subsidized agribusiness farming.

Please vote this bill down when it comes before your committee. If passed, it will do nothing to restore California's once great fisheries and will cause the destruction of one of California's greatest game fish. We travel to CA and the Delta to fish and if this bill is passed those tourism dollars will be lost.

Sincerely,

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