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Atwater
05-26-2006, 02:13 PM
Hey Sniffers, I was just sitting here day-dreaming about freshwater Kings and big trout, (as usual!) and am wondering if mooching with live shad might be an effective approach.....anyone tried it?

fishnmike2002
05-26-2006, 02:58 PM
Providing you could find live shad and a concentration of trout to sit on it would probably work well. Coming up with the live shad is going to be a challenge.

FishnMike

Atwater
05-26-2006, 03:02 PM
Kaweah lake, about 20 minutes from my back door, is loaded with shad, and they're easy to find. I have a throw net, aerator, etc.. The only question there is whether or not I can keep them alive over night for a morning run to McClure or Don Pedro....

Atwater
05-26-2006, 03:06 PM
I just realized that there may be regs prohibiting transport? (I know it would be illegal to use in lakes where no shad exist)

fishnmike2002
05-26-2006, 03:07 PM
Shad are very hard to keep alive. Also, I think they made throw nets illegal. I think, but you better check, all you can use is dip nets.

FishnMike

drstressor
05-26-2006, 03:22 PM
It is illegal and enviromentally irresponsible to tranport baitfish from one body of water to another.

4.20. Bait Fish Use in the Valley and South Central Districts.
Except as provided below, live or dead fin fish shall not be used or possessed for use as bait in the Valley or South Central District:
(a) Live or dead golden shiner, fathead minnow, mosquitofish, longjaw mudsucker, and staghorn sculpin, and dead threadfin shad, Mississippi
silverside and lamprey may be used in all Valley and South Central District waters except those listed in subsection (f) below.
(b) Red shiner may be used only in the Valley District north of Interstate 580 and Highway 132.
(c) Yellowfin gobies may be used in the Valley District only in those areas described in subsections (d)(1)-(3) below.
(d) In addition, except for trout and salmon, fin fish lawfully taken in the following waters by angling or with bait fish methods approved in
12 Section 4.05 may be used only in the waters where taken:
(1) Carquinez Strait and Suisun Bay and their tributaries and saltwater tributaries.
(2) Sacramento River and tidewater of tributaries downstream from the Highway 32 bridge near Hamilton City, Feather River downstream from the Oroville Hatchery Fish Barrier Dam, Yuba River downstream from Daguerre Point Dam, and American River downstream from Nimbus Dam.
(3) San Joaquin River and tidewater of tributaries downstream from Interstate 5 bridge.
(e) Live threadfin shad, Mississippi silversideand lamprey may be used only at the location where taken.
(f) Fin fish may not be used in Keller Lake (Glenn Co.), Letts Lake (Colusa Co.), Merced Lake (San Francisco Co.), Upper and Lower
Plaskett Meadow Ponds (Glenn Co.), Whale Rock Reservoir (San Luis Obispo Co.).

4.25. Bait Fish Use in the North Central District. Except as provided below, live or dead fin fish shall not be used or possessed for use as bait in the North Central District:
(a) Golden shiner, fathead minnow, red shiner, mosquitofish, longjaw mudsucker and staghorn sculpin may be used in Napa and Sonoma
counties, in Marin County except for Stafford Lake, in Lake County except for the Eel River and its tributaries, and in Lake Mendocino
(Mendocino Co.).
(b) Live threadfin shad, Mississippi silverside and lamprey may be used only at the location where taken.

4.30. Bait Fish Use in the Sierra and North Coast Districts.
Except as provided below, live or dead fin fish shall not be used or possessed for use as bait in the Sierra and North Coast Districts.
(a) In Donner, Fallen Leaf and Tahoe lakes Lahontan redside, tui chub, Tahoe sucker, Lahontan speckled dace, mountain sucker and
Paiute sculpin may be used only in the same lake where taken.
(b) In Shasta Lake only golden shiner, red shiner, fathead minnows, mosquitofish and threadfin shad may be used or possessed for
use as bait.

Restrictions on the legal methods for capturing baitfish also make it very difficult to get live shad.

4.05. Bait Fish Capture Methods.
(a) Approved bait fish may be taken only by hand, with a dip net, or with traps not over three feet in greatest dimension. Such bait fish may not be purchased, bartered, sold, transferred or traded; or transported alive from the location where taken. Any other species taken shall be returned to the water immediately. Traps need not be closely attended. Dip net use: A dip net must be hand held, and the motion of a dip net shall be caused only by the physical effort of the operator. A dip net may not be moved through the water by any mechanical force or motorized device.
(b) Within the area bounded by Highway 111 on the north and east and Highway 86 on the west and south, approved bait fish may be taken only with dip nets with diagonal mesh size one inch and greater, or by traps in water greater than four feet in depth. Traps may not exceed three feet in greatest dimension. Approved bait fish may not be taken by hand within this area.

Atwater
05-26-2006, 03:26 PM
Mike, thanks for the responses....I checked the regs (oh my aching head) and you are correct, dip nets only and no live transport. They also state that they cannot be sold commercially.....huh? How do bait shops get theirs?