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BITE_ME_II
10-17-2004, 07:05 AM
Hey F.F.
Here is a partial list of what lures to bring anyone wishing to add to this list please do so , it will only make it better for those who have never been here.

Trolling...
APEX, frog, watermellon, rainbow, silver/geen

FLATFISH/KWIKFISH, frog, wht/green, pearl

SPOONS, red/white, frog, grn/wht, rainbow

RAPALA Holographic silver shiner, rainbow, black silver

RAPALA FAT RAP same as above

GRUBS in green combos as well

Jigging...

1/2-3/4 ounce maribou white/red head, green combo's

1/2-3/4 ounce lead head and grubs in green combos

standard jigging spoons 1/2-3/4 ounce.

I'm sure that others will come up with more and I hope so but please remember you are allowed to keep two fish if you wish, you will have all of the regs when you get here.

BITE ME II

FishMischief
10-17-2004, 07:46 AM
Can we get some sizes for the top lures?

BITE_ME_II
10-17-2004, 08:17 AM
Shad/Fat Rap SR07 silver shiner
Rapala hf-9-hs floating Rapala holographic shiner
Apex 5.5
Apex 4.0
Flat Fish, also large same as for Salmon would be largest. I don't use them as often, personal preferance, but they work well

Also large Jplugs as well in greens
Wiggle Warts, and I use many other bass style plugs in Fire Tiger and green combos

Hope that helps a little more

BITE ME II

Farrier_Frank
10-17-2004, 08:20 AM
Thanks for starting this thread Bite Me. I hope it stays focused with fishing advice for the Pyramid fest. The only pictures I'd like to see on this thread would be of lures some of us may not be familiar with; like some of the jigs and spoons you Nevadans know work in Pyramid.

BITE_ME_II
10-17-2004, 08:23 AM
I'll see if my wife is around after the 49er game and I will get some Pix. Since she is the one that can post pix without 47 tries.

BITE ME II

skipper
10-17-2004, 10:13 AM
Hey Bite- Me, If you have any pic's of the chubs that the big boys feed on it would help. I paint my own lures and I would like to see the actual coloring. Thanks in advance if you have a pic. ---fish hawk

BITE_ME_II
10-17-2004, 10:31 AM
The Shad/Fat Rap I will show is almost exact!

BigB
10-17-2004, 03:00 PM
I have taken a picture of some of the lures that I use on Pyramid Lake. But I can use some help on how to post it.

Thanks,
Brian

BITE_ME_II
10-17-2004, 04:57 PM
Here are some of the lures that I have been successful with over the years and last few weeks.

BITE ME II


http://www.myfishingpictures.com/watermark.php?file=500/4994Pyramid_Lures_002-med.jpg

drstressor
10-17-2004, 05:02 PM
I'll post some pictures of lures that I use at Pyramid when I get back in town on Wednesday. There are actually 2 sub-species of tui chubs in the lake. I'll talk about them and how to match them at the seminar on Friday night. In general, they are either light green or dark green on the top and silver or white on the bottom. Basically, anything dark on the top and silver or white on the bottom will ALWAYS work. During the day, sometimes bright colors (i.e. fire tiger or fluorescent red/orange) will work, but you can't loose with shades of green with silver or white. A frog Apex is actually a green/white chub imatation. Dark shades work best in low light, bright colors when the sun is overhead. When the bite is on, almost anything will catch fish, but chub colors are a no brainer.

For trolling, I recommend BIG lures, nothing smaller than 4". I use 5.5" Stingkings, 6" Apexes, and 4" or 5" Coyote spoons. Mickey turned me on to Lyman plugs, but they move around so much it is hard to keep lines from getting tangled. I've also had luck targeting big fish using large J-plugs and flatfish (trolled slow and close to the bottom). Think salmon fishing, not trout. Large lures get more strikes than smaller ones.

BITE_ME_II
10-17-2004, 05:14 PM
Thanks dr.
Looking forward to your input as always!!

drstressor
10-17-2004, 05:15 PM
Hey BM_II, those two Rapalas match each type of tui chub. *The skinny holographic looks like Gila bicolor pectinifer and the fat shad looks like Gila bicolor obesa. *pectinifer is the type you see close to the surface and obesa are the ones hugging the bottom. *The really *big trout eat mostly obesa and other trout.

Farrier_Frank
10-17-2004, 06:14 PM
This thread is already proving valuable -- I have the Gila bicolor pectinifer, and most of the other lures in your photo BMII, but I'm going back to Will Fish and see if I can find another obesa in a dark suit ::). I thought I had all of those fat Rapala's; looks like I'm missing one of them.

Keep it coming.

HighSierra_Drifter
10-17-2004, 07:19 PM
WOW bite me !! i set up a pic to help you and everyone out and my batteries were dead....but it doesn't matter....my pic was almost identical to yours!!

PS....(surprised you had the LYMAN in there) ;)
I use the black/silver metalflake w/ dayglow red nose...
Drifter

drstressor
10-17-2004, 08:10 PM
Try the clown pattern on sunny days. That's the one that Mickey likes (I love giving away his secrets). ;D They don't really make any Lymans that look much like a chub pattern, but the action works great. You don't have to make sharp turns or change speeds to draw strikes behind a downrigger.

The problem with most plugs at Pyramid is that the LCTs will just follow them unless they do something that looks like they are trying to get away. You can rip Rapalas without a downrigger when the fish are shallow. But when using downriggers, you need something that has an erratic action like a Lyman or an Apex type lure. I find that spoons will out fish plugs in most cases, but you have to change speeds in order to get the best results.

Mickey_Thomas
10-18-2004, 04:28 AM
Doc is right, I like the Lyman lures, but its no secret ;D
I tell anyone that ask ;)The 2 biggest "Cutts" I've caught were on the 9" silver/black metal flake with the red nose, (I think HighSerria_Drifter mentioned that one) The big ones are pricey and you will catch less fish using them. But if you want to catch a big one give it a try. Its best to have only 2 rods out if both have the Lyman lures on, they do tangle ???because of their erratic dance. Don't be afraid to reel in your lure and change colors, last time up there I caught 3 in a row right behind the boat when reeling in ;D to change colors.

B-RUN_STEELIE
10-18-2004, 09:19 AM
You guys are making this way too hard... You need a black wooly worm ( hackel forward) with a red tail.. or the same thing in purple. About 15 cents to tie up a good one. ::)

On another subject, back from Canada steelhead fishing. How to post a picture here.. We got a few mind blowers

Mickey_Thomas
10-18-2004, 09:51 AM
B-RUN_STEELIE, thanks for the info ;D would you tie about 40 of them for all of us? At 15 cents I think I can afford that ;) On posting pictures, go to the "ask the sniffer" forum and there's a topic about it that tells you how, can't wait to see them.

skipper
10-18-2004, 09:59 AM
Thanks guys for the pic's and other good info. I have some of those colors and patterns and I am going to paint some more that I just received from Cabala's. They are larger flutter spoon bodies [ 43/4" ] that should work in Pyramid. Hope to see you all there :) :) ---fish hawk

Mickey_Thomas
10-18-2004, 05:39 PM
Gee you sure made that page big with your picture ??? those look like they might work for sure ;) The Long's Drug at Donner has a nice fishing tackle selection, if you stop at the McDonalds, its right across the street.

BigB
10-18-2004, 05:52 PM
Oops. Sorry, it was my first posting.

Brian

Farrier_Frank
10-18-2004, 05:52 PM
That took so long to download I got the potatoes peeled for dinner -- Good looking lures though. Maybe there's somebody out there who can help shrink the picture so I don't have to go out and buy a bigger screen. ::)

Actually BigB I live in a glass house; I still haven't figured out how to post a picture.

FishMischief
10-18-2004, 06:01 PM
Frank... with a 16.4 connection anything would take long enough to peel pertaters...

;)

full_boat
10-18-2004, 06:07 PM
HEY BIG B you been down to see bill to? i got some of the same ones,pink and black is a killer,his koke spoons
are good also.no not good they are great.

Farrier_Frank
10-18-2004, 06:08 PM
I'll have you know Mark I'm hooked up at 24.4 KBPS tonight, warp speed in this neck of the woods. Of course if it rains tonight I'll be back to 14.4 tomorrow morning.

Mickey_Thomas
10-18-2004, 06:09 PM
Lets post a lot and get to another page ;D ;D

Farrier_Frank
10-18-2004, 06:12 PM
Good idea Mickey, lets have a chat. My eyes are getting fuzy.

full_boat
10-18-2004, 06:16 PM
DANG!And I thought 56kbpswas slow FF

Farrier_Frank
10-18-2004, 06:20 PM
56 KBPS would probably melt the copper in my phone lines F.B.

BigB
10-18-2004, 08:09 PM
full_boat

I aslo have some of Bill's Kokanee spoons, but seeing how I do not know what I am doing yet when it comes catching a Kokanee, I can not tell you how great they are. I will be working on it though.

Brian

BigB
10-18-2004, 08:48 PM
http://img99.exs.cx/img99/8499/lures.th.jpg[/URL]

Okay, here is a smaller picture of the lures that I use.

Brian

Troutracker
10-18-2004, 08:57 PM
How do the Sierra spoons compare with the Torpedos when casting from shore at Pyramid? B-RUN_STEELIE, have you noticed a difference with the direction on the hackle on you buggers? Just curious.

B-RUN_STEELIE
10-18-2004, 09:11 PM
Yes, big diff in hackel direction. Also, it helps to bend the point a little bit off center. I am not sure why. Other flys will work, but it ain't that complicated. Always fish a two fly setup, and you could use cable for leader. These fish are pretty stupid.

Co-Pilot
10-19-2004, 05:19 AM
Me and brother Bruce took a little side trip up there Saturday at about noon when we figured out that the Brown bite sucked. We fished from 12:30 to 5:30 and caught about 40 fish. Stopped at the little store on the left as you enter the reservation and paid our fees and bought any tackle we needed. Believe me when I say that this store has anything you need to fish Pyramid. No need to go looking somewhere else. We bought about 4 jigs, and a couple large sting kings as I carry a pretty good variety already ;D. The sting Kings we caught fish on were black/silver and we ran a 1/2 oz Banana weight at the front of the leader. The jigs that worked best were silver w/Green or yellow on them. ;)

Mickey_Thomas
10-19-2004, 05:36 AM
Sneak fishing Pyramid Tim? ??? Does this mean you might join us at the "Fest". Just like you, Hammer and I had to get up there after reading all the 50 fish reports ;) Doc came up and joined us and we killed them. The store/bar/casino/ above the Ranger Station has a bigger selection of Tackle ;D Glad you at least got to try it ;D It sure is a fun lake if you want to catch "big fish" and lots of them ;D ;D

fish4fun
10-19-2004, 06:14 AM
Mickey, Where is the store/bar/casino that has a good fishing tackle selection? Is it on the way into Pyramid from Sparks? Connie and I should maybe stop there on the way to Pyramidfest. Thanks.. F4F

BITE_ME_II
10-19-2004, 06:18 AM
Mickey is talking about Crosby Lodge they are the location we will be holding the clinic and they are also the ones holding the Party on Saturday night.

BITE ME II

fish4fun
10-19-2004, 06:34 AM
Bite Me II, Thanks for the info. I didn't realize there was a casino at Crosby. That'll be an easy stop for us since we're staying down below in the RV Park by the marina.

Mickey_Thomas
10-19-2004, 06:53 AM
Casino is overstateing it a bit ;D It has 3 slot machines ;D ;D ;D

BITE_ME_II
10-19-2004, 07:08 AM
Mickey a man of your stature ;) I thought for sure you would be more aware of your surroundings. Crosby Lodge also has Video poker machines built into the bar ; :o

BITE ME II

fish4fun
10-19-2004, 07:12 AM
Hah! Maybe we can all win enough to pay for our trip to Pyramidfest! ;D ;D

Co-Pilot
10-19-2004, 08:09 AM
;D Yea sneak fishing again.
I still don't think I'll make the fest but I gave into the envy for a day. It was nice to go back there but it's still not the same, even though we had one of our best days catching fish. On Sunday we went back to our usual fast trolling in a hell of a rain storm, and ended up with a measly 9 macks to 4 lbs, 4 browns and a half dozen or so bows. Maybe we're nuts but we feel Sunday was a better day of fishing. But a few good storms like today and it may make those other lakes unaccessible because of snow.

kokeman2
10-19-2004, 09:02 AM
I hear yea Co-pilot, I don't think it will ever be the same and I don't see no challenge. If catching 50 fish a day is that easy it really gets boring to me. I personally like trying to catch big browns just for the simple fact they are hard to catch and I am after my first huge one.

BITE_ME_II
10-19-2004, 09:22 AM
Many of us choose to fish for a variety of different fish using different styles, Co-Pilot knows where I stand on the Brown situation. Again to each his own, that's why we have different boats or no boats, that's why many fly fish, many bait fish. There are as many styles as their are personalities in our sport, I catch and release 99% of the fish I catch so Fighting 50 fish in a day is a sport to me that I enjoy getting away from work to do. Take a kid out for a 50 fish day of fighting 3-5lb fish all day and you have a partner for life. Again to each his own!!

I guess we won't be seeing KOKEMAN2 at Pyramidfest! and that's too bad I would like to see as many people as possible.

BITE ME II

Mickey_Thomas
10-19-2004, 09:29 AM
Its not about challenges, its about having fun fishing and catching fish. Not everyone is obsessed with catching big Brown's, some people just want to catch fish, have fun, and enjoy the day. I admit that catching my big Brown was the most exciting fishing day in my life, but I've found that having fun fishing is more important to me. Pyramid is a great lake to have fun, catch fish for just the enjoyment of it. And thats what PyramidFest will be, a good time for all ;D

kokeman2
10-19-2004, 10:09 AM
Pyramid is a great place to take kids. 50 fish a day will defintley have a kid hook on fishing. The only bad part is that taking a kid fishing and you don't catch fifty fish a day. That is all in part of growing up. They only problem I have with taking my kids up there fishing is the wind and we all know about that. My wife won't let me take my kids there again after that last windy day. Too dangerous. You are right to each his own.

Co-Pilot
10-19-2004, 10:13 AM
You guys know I'm not trying to bust chops on Pyramid. It's a great lake with great fish. And probably the best fishing on the west coast right now.
But most who know me know that I'm a trophy Hunter and have become a trophy Fisherman. I won't shoot a buck smaller than a 4 point, or an Elk smaller than a 6 point. Even if they're 10' in front of me, which is often.
But with fishing you have to just catch a lot of fish and the big one will come.
I can't sit still so aggresive fishing suits my style. I'm not a very good kick back and relax fisherman. And for me the only way I'll feel accomplished is when I bag a Brown over 10. I have a spot on the wall saved for just the occasion.
I'm sure the folks that go to the pyramid fest will feel that same accomplishment when they catch one of those big guys up there. ;)

Mickey_Thomas
10-19-2004, 10:21 AM
I wasn't trying to put down any of you guys for hunting Browns, believe me I know what you're feeling, for me the obsession will probably start in Nov. after the Fest ;) If I'm not snowed out of the lakes ;D In the mean time I'm just going up to Pyramid and enjoy meeting the forum guys and having a good time. ;)

kokeman2
10-19-2004, 10:46 AM
Thats right Mick, but hunting for trophy Browns will never have a season for me, it is an all year thing. They can be caught any month of the year. I won't stop till I have 30 huge ones. LOL ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

Farrier_Frank
10-19-2004, 11:10 AM
For me, from it's inception, Pyramid Fest has always been about meeting other members of these boards. That has been my motivation from the get go. I don't even know if I will be able to get out on the water. If I do get that opportunity, and if I happen to catch one of those big, beautiful cutthroat, I'll be as happy as the kid who catches his first fish. But, if I don't even get a chance to go out on the water that's ok with me, too. The fish I might catch will be a fleeting memory, the friendships I could make will last a lifetime.

Bite Me II and Doc have put a lot of effort into making this a special social, as well as a fishing, event; a rarity by any stretch of the imagination.

Rusty_Hooks
10-19-2004, 02:50 PM
Frank,
You and I are on the very same page. This sounds like a great time to meet everyone and have a good time. Some people are so intensly focused on BIG FISH that the perspective changes. Theres nothing wrong with that, merely a different perspective. The intensity of the hunt is lost in all the activity of catching a zillion fish. :o Zillions are good too, merely a different perspective.
I may be able to make it up but like yourself may not make it out on the water, again an entirely different perspective. I can remember days when on a stream, by myself, was the way I wanted it. Hunting down bigger fish, under the bank edge and all that stuff. If I make it, I'll probably bring the poles we'll see. ;D ;D I May bring snowshoes as well.

drstressor
10-20-2004, 11:47 AM
I'm finally back in town and have access to my server for some pictures. *As I have posted before, Pyramid is a very simple lake to fish since tui chubs are the major prey species. I did a study over several years as to what works best by dragging a single type of lure (Coyote spoons) with a different pattern or color on each side of the boat. I would troll in an S pattern to avoid biasing the results with respect to one lure being closer to shore than the other. I recorded the number of fish caught on each lure over a 3 year period. *The results were very conclusive. *Bi-color patterns will out fish everything else. I guess I shouldn't have been surprised given the tui chubs Latin name (Gila bicolor). *Also, anything with a stripe will out fish the same lure with a mottled or barred pattern.

To keep things simple, if you can get 4-5" Coyotes, here are all you need to fish Pyramid:

http://unr.edu/homepage/weber/coyote2.jpg

Coyotes are really just large Needlefish spoons (same company). I like them because they are about the same size as the bait, work effectively at many different speeds, and don't run deeper than the depth they are set at on a downrigger. The top spoon is dark emerald green and silver. The blue/silver spoon only works well at depths or 70 ft or more, so you won't need that color for Pyramidfest. Start with the dark green/silver under low light conditions and then move to chartreuse/silver during the day. *The Cop Car (black and white) ONLY works on overcast days.

I use a small duolock wire snap at the end of 5 ft of 12 lb test fluoro leader with a black barrel swivel at the rod end. *This is attached to the main line with a ball bearing snap swivel. *I fish with kokanee gear and 8 lb test mono for the main line. *The heavier leader is for controlling the fish at the boat for the "Pyramid Release". *The knots also hold up better when you catch a lot of fish (not so much a problem at other lakes where I use lighter leaders).

Here is a picture of a tui chub for anyone who paints their own lures:

http://unr.edu/homepage/weber/tui.jpg

Note the dark top, green sides, and the white belly. The picture doesn't really do the fish justice. *I just captured a bunch of tui chubs (and a small Sacramento perch) to add to the piscatorial menagerie in my lab. I plan to "learn their ways". *The most amazing thing about tui chubs is that their colors and patterns look entirely different depending on the viewing angle and the light intensity. *These guys are uniquely adapted to Pyramid Lake. *If you view them at any angle from below, they appear silver, which would be hard to spot against the surface glare. *When viewed from above, they are dull green which blends in well with the algae coated rocks and bottom. When seen from the side and from slightly above, they have a distinct chartreuse stripe that blends in with the vegetation growing on the rocks. *So now I finally understand why chartreuse is such a hot color during the day! *This stripe turns orange when they spawn in the spring, which is why watermelon Apexes are so effective. Some of my chubs were very light silver when first captured, but now they have darkened up with lower light levels. *I don't know how long it takes for them to do this since I had to go on a trip right after I dropped them off at the lab.

For fly guys, there are lots of large dragon fly nymphs on the bottom (they like gravel bottoms near vegetation better than sand bottoms)and damsel fly larvae in the water column. *These are all green in color. *There are small brownish/reddish scuds and black leeches, which have a red streak when they are engorged with blood. *Kind of explains Pyramid colors, doesn't it?

If I ever live long enough to retire, I'm going to write this stuff up some day. :)

robert_long
10-20-2004, 01:02 PM
HOLLY COW BATMAN!!!!
Thats alot of great info Doc. The wind is my concern do to
the 13 ft tin can I have. Is it calm some times like in the AM so I go out but stay close to the ramp.

Thanks for the info
Robert

Rusty_Hooks
10-20-2004, 01:18 PM
This brings new meaning to the term biological expertise. (thats expert-tease in this case ;)).....Thanks for that doc. ;D ;D ;D

Farrier_Frank
10-20-2004, 02:11 PM
WOW!!

I asked Bite Me to start this thread so we out-of-towners wouldn't be in the dark. I had no idea we were going to receive an education. At this point I think I'm looking forward to the Friday evening seminar more than anything else that might go on.

Thanks for bringing this thread back into focus Doc.

Mickey_Thomas
10-20-2004, 02:26 PM
Welcome back Doc ;D The boys have been waiting for you ;)Kind of a large picture ??? but good stuff just the same ;D

drstressor
10-20-2004, 03:48 PM
Don't let scary stories about wind keep anyone from coming to Pyramidfest. Anyone who gets caught out in a bad blow either wasn't paying attention or is just stupid. The weather in the fall is generally calm except when storms are moving through. The storms are associated with cold front during the cooler months. These are very predictable. *Here is the Pyramid Lake weather info:

http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/total_forecast/index.php?minlon=-123&maxlon=-115&minlat=37.39&maxlat=42.03&mapwidth=354&map.x=1 62&map.y=115

You can see that the lake is easily fishable in any type of boat until at least the weekend. *You can fish close to shore at Pyramid and do very well. *Just don't be stupid and head out across the lake in a 12 footer unless the winds are forecast to be 10 mph or less. *I've crossed the lake in 20 mph winds lots of time in my 17 footer. It's uncomfortable, but not dangerous as long as you don't try to run too fast. The South end of the lake (S. of Anahoe Island) is much more protected and there is a launch ramp for boats of 14 ft or less down at Popcorn Rocks. *I've fished there several times last winter when the lake N. of Anahoe was impossible.

Bite_Me_II and I will provide a last minute weather report next Thursday that should help everyone plan their trip. *Even in the worse case, fishing from shore is often very good with a full gale blowing during the winter. And we aren't close to winter conditions yet.

Let's see, the fish aren't browns, they're too easy to catch, only for kids, and wind is going to blow you off the lake. Ever notice how some people just can't stand other people having a good time?

Co-Pilot
10-20-2004, 03:54 PM
Hey Doc,
You forgot the sheep ;D

drstressor
10-20-2004, 03:57 PM
I don't have problems with sheep. ;D

fordylov
10-20-2004, 04:17 PM
Hey guys,don't forget !! #5 stainless open snap swivel
Caught a 18" on one last trip to Pyramid

B-RUN_STEELIE
10-20-2004, 04:32 PM
If you get blown off a ladder you drank to much.. and probably hurt a sheeps feelings while you were at it. :'(

Hows that!!

Farrier_Frank
10-20-2004, 05:51 PM
You lose B-Run, I ain't bringing Mabel over for you now. You're not going to hurt her feelings! She's a sensitive ewe, the only one we got who would go along with a guy who has a pet, wooden duck. Although, if she saw you standing on a ladder in the middle of the lake, with perfectly good boats available, she'd probably start looking for one of those guys from Idaho.

B-RUN_STEELIE
10-20-2004, 07:43 PM
I am the guys from Idaho and I approved this message.

The Duck is so you can see your ladder at a glance as they can be hard to see from the truck. The sheep is so we can cheat on our wives who will be pounding away on our ATM cards in Reno while we Stand on our ladders with our ducks.

Mickey_Thomas
10-21-2004, 04:19 AM
Just 8 days left till the "Fest" don't let it sneak up on you ;D Its supposed to be sunny for the next 2 days so I guess I'll pull out the boat and start getting it ready ;D the count down begins ;D ;D ;D

fish4fun
10-21-2004, 06:20 AM
Yeah, I've been in the countdown mode for the last week or so. Often find myself down in my fishing room sorting through tackle and thinking about what'll work well at Pyramid. ;) Have repainted a couple of lures and made a couple of oddball lures that probably won't catch anything much, but will be fun to try. ::)

Hey, what time does the fishing lecture/seminar begin on Friday evening? ??? I'm assuming it's at Crosby Lodge. Am looking forward to it.

BITE_ME_II
10-21-2004, 06:58 AM
Crosby Lodge 7:30 p.m.

tahoe_bob
10-21-2004, 08:22 AM
Does anyone know if those Coyote Spoons are available in Sacramento, and if so, where?

TB

Mickey_Thomas
10-21-2004, 09:15 AM
Not that I've ever found and I'm a shopper ;) I think you have to order them on line at least thats what I've ben told, let your fingers do the walking :)

drstressor
10-21-2004, 11:02 AM
I've never seen them locally or in Sacramento. At least not in the right colors. Cabelas and lots of other places have them. They are THE hot salmon trolling spoon. So any place that has saltwater salmon fishing will have Coyotes. *Don't pay more than $3.99.

BTW, that chartreuse/silver pattern is called Mongoose. The flo glow green/white is the best general pattern for Pyramid. It is also great for macs. I caught that big one at Flaming Gorge last summer on a 5" one.

tahoe_bob
10-21-2004, 11:10 AM
Thanks. I just checked the Cabela's website and did not find them there, but maybe I overlooked them.

TB

drstressor
10-21-2004, 11:28 AM
If you do a Google search for "Coyote Spoon" you will find a bunch of places plus some information on fishing with the spoons.

The Boater's World in Sacramento, should have some according to their web site.

tahoe_bob
10-21-2004, 11:44 AM
Sorry to be such a pain, but which ones on Boater's World match to the ones in your picture? *I don't see any matches.

http://www.boatersworld.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SearchView?storeId=10051&catalogId=10051&langId=-1&keyword=coyote+spoon&x=4&y=8

TB

drstressor
10-21-2004, 12:03 PM
4.0 Coyote Spoon Nickel/Neon Green Stripe

4.0 Coyote Spoon Mongoose

4.0 Coyote Glo/Flo Green Stripe

4.0 Coyote Spoon Nickel/Neon Blue Stripe

They don't seem to have the Cop Car.

Sierra_hillbilly
10-21-2004, 01:10 PM
Do large repalas and flat fish work? Do you troll fast or slow?
S_h

BITE_ME_II
10-21-2004, 01:45 PM
Yes on both counts! but the lures can have no more than two hooks on them and yes they may be treble hooks.

Again Yes on both counts very your speed for best results as well as try not to troll in a straight line for very long. Because as dr and I have mentioned before these fish will follow a lure for quite a ways until it looks like it is going to try and escape then they will strike. Here we go giving away all of the info for Friday night, but I'm glad you asked!!!!


BITE ME II

drstressor
10-21-2004, 04:29 PM
Flatfish work very will when trolled slow and close to the bottom. Frog pattern is a favorite. A lot of really large fish are taken on flatfish each year. I can't troll slow enough for optimal flatfish action. So I would use Apexes, which like to be pulled at 2.2 mph or better for going after the big ones. I've been fooling around with large Stingkings since last spring. These lure work at much slower speeds than Apexes. 1.6 - 1.8 mph is about right. Lymans also work well if you can handle the tangles.

Rapalas only seem to work for me at Pyramid in the early fall when the fish are jumping in the boat. There are better choices than raps. Maybe if they made one in a tui chub pattern?? Barred green mackerel imitations definitely don't work well. I've caught fish on rainbow pattern raps, but again, there are better choices. Bite_Me_II's fat shad raps look very interesting. I've never tried them. He will no doubt talk about them on Friday night.

Co-Pilot
10-22-2004, 06:30 AM
Fishermans Warehouse in Sac has the 4" coyote spoons. I've bought them there ;)

drstressor
10-22-2004, 07:48 AM
There you go. The relentless pursuit of browns has not rotted Tim's brain. ;D

kokeman2
10-22-2004, 08:04 AM
once people find out how hard it is to catch those fish that rot your brains, they give up and go to pyramid where they can catch fish LOL just kidding :P :P :P :P :P :P

Mickey_Thomas
10-22-2004, 11:32 AM
Maybe you should join us then ;) :) :D ;D

Sierra_hillbilly
10-23-2004, 07:40 AM
I found the coyote spoons at big 5 in Placerville.
S_h

Mickey_Thomas
10-23-2004, 08:37 AM
Did you buy them all or did you leave a few for me? ;D

Sierra_hillbilly
10-23-2004, 09:30 AM
There is one left a bright purple one with the barney logo on it ;D
S_h

Mickey_Thomas
10-23-2004, 10:18 AM
That will work ;D ;D ;D

JasonB
10-23-2004, 06:27 PM
Alright , I dont get it you guys give up all your so called secret weapons "trolling lures " but you wont give up your secret Jigs ??? what gives :-/ I thought we were all friends :(

BITE_ME_II
10-23-2004, 06:31 PM
Jason Who ???

JasonB
10-23-2004, 06:35 PM
WOW is this my nevada welcoming commitee ???

drstressor
10-23-2004, 06:35 PM
You'll find out about the jigs on Friday, Jason, and why we keep them secret. You'll also learn how Bite_Me_II and his "friends" enforce the code of secrecy. ;)

JasonB
10-23-2004, 06:40 PM
Would it help if I told him I lived in Nevada for a long time and still have lots of family there ;D

BITE_ME_II
10-23-2004, 06:43 PM
Sounds like a threat >:( ;D

Mickey_Thomas
10-23-2004, 06:45 PM
No it wouldn't Jason ;D If that counts for you then I'll have to say that I have a bunch of In-Laws in Reno too, in fact they live close to the Good Doctor ;) ;) Jason check your pm's

JasonB
10-23-2004, 06:45 PM
>:( ;D

drstressor
10-23-2004, 07:02 PM
Hey Mickey, you wouldn't be PMing people any "secrets" would you? Your Godfather would be very disappointed. Guido and Tony might have to stop by and talk this over with you. ;D

BITE_ME_II
10-23-2004, 07:04 PM
Hey Yo Mickey!! dis could be a bad ting your doin here!!

JasonB
10-23-2004, 07:08 PM
The fish sniffer version of the Sopranos ;D

Mickey_Thomas
10-23-2004, 07:13 PM
I never give out Doc's secrets ??? If you have to know we were working out travel details. I can't believe you guys ;D no trust ;D

drstressor
10-23-2004, 07:20 PM
Trust, but verify. ;D

FISHSTALKER
10-23-2004, 07:27 PM
Mickey - if the timeing is right, we may join your caravan at the hwy 20 - hwy 80 intersection on Friday.

Mickey_Thomas
10-23-2004, 07:28 PM
This topic is "lures to bring" not jigs ;D ;D Two-Lines, check your PM's, we have travel plans to work out too. ;)

Mickey_Thomas
10-23-2004, 07:29 PM
Sounds good Dale, I'll PM you my mobile #, So far it might be Sierra-Hhillbilly, Hammer and I, Steelheadslayer and Anna, maybe Two-Lines, and maybe JasonB. Safety in numbers ;D and a chance to start the party early ;D ;D

johnbfishin
10-23-2004, 09:55 PM
Hey mick, most likely I'll fall in line at Auburn at the foresthill exit, we can keep in touch by cell phone....I'll be waiting ;D

Mickey_Thomas
10-24-2004, 04:56 AM
Glad to have you aboard JohnB ;D ;D We'll excange mobile numbers this week some time ;)

SuperDave
08-26-2005, 06:22 PM
Something to get the juices flowing!!!

Captain_Morgan
08-26-2005, 08:52 PM
Lets get it going, i'm ready!!! Sometimes the old posts are get info into next year!! I'm ready for that lake. I want the big bertha!! ;D I might die on the other side from the wind,but I want the biggie!! ;) HEY CHICKFISHING58 HOW MANY DAYZ??

kstone44
08-27-2005, 03:18 AM
Here is a link to my saved informational posts from last year. I used the coyote spoons in GLO/FLO green an the army tuck colors .You can order the coyote spoons from Luhr Jensen direct with the siwash hooks instead of the trebles.
The first afternoon last year I caught 17 fish in 1/2 day and on Sunday stopped at 50 fish by myself. I don't know if I had mentioned it but thanks to everyone for last year as it was the best trout fishing I had ever done.This year I am bringing my son with me, he's turning 18 on that Thursday and I look forward to getting him back into fishing.

http://unr.edu/homepage/weber/pyramid.pdf

fsh_on
08-27-2005, 04:44 PM
Just wondering were everyone stays when there at pyramid, and how do i get in on this pyramid fest,do i just show up?

drstressor
08-27-2005, 04:48 PM
Just send a PM to Mickey Thomas or Allfish to get on the list. We will post details about where to stay, etc. But most folks camp on the beach near the Pelican Point boat ramp or at near by Separator Beach. There may be a few rooms available at Crosby's Lodge and there is an RV campground at the Marina.

But pretty much you just show up. ;D

vvbob
08-27-2005, 09:58 PM
How far from the launch ramp is the RV park.
Thanks ;D

SuperDave
08-28-2005, 07:44 AM
Pelican Point Ramp is just a couple miles from the RV park. I understand that there is a small ramp at the marina by the RV park. From other posts here, it sounds like it only accomodates very small boats.

troutfan
08-28-2005, 10:29 AM
Pelican Point Ramp is just a couple miles from the RV park. *I understand that there is a small ramp at the marina by the RV park. *From other posts here, it sounds like it only accomodates very small boats.
That's right Hinrid. Only small boats are advised for the marina ramp. You will damage your lower unit on a larger boat(>15').

Thanks Doc and BMII for all the great info. I wish you guys would have been around twenty years ago when I was learning everything about Pyramid the hard way! ;D

lake-troller
08-28-2005, 04:09 PM
Has anyone tried large hoochies with a flasher. With the fish biting everything else the Salmon hit, I don't see why this wouldn't be productive. A hoochie in a tui chub pattern, and a flasher for the action?
It's my understanding fish bite a hoochie because it looks like a bait fish....

BITE_ME_II
08-28-2005, 04:24 PM
The hoochie with No flasher would work , but the Cutts in Pyramid are so agressive they would hit the flasher more often then the hoochie, that experiment has been done before by myself and others. These trout often hit my downrigger ball so hard that the unit jumps in it's bracket, I have prizm tape on the down rigger balls.

BITE ME II
8) 8)

mighty_bite
08-28-2005, 07:41 PM
They must look like big obesa ;D

BITE_ME_II
08-28-2005, 07:43 PM
Can't wait to see everyone!! SIGN UP!!!!! and get here.


BITE ME II
8) 8)

CHICKFISHING58
08-29-2005, 07:44 AM
Doc or BM2,
Do you think I could launch at crosby's with out 4 wheel drive and do I have to pull my motor up ::)

drstressor
08-29-2005, 08:01 AM
I assume that you mean the Marina, not Crosby's. I'm sure that they would not appreciate your boat on the pavement in their parking lot. ;)

The Marina ramp is covered with sand well above the water line. You should always raise you engine when you launch just in case. In addition to the submerged rocks, there is often a shallow bar across that ramp as well. However, there is a small ramp on the right side that the fisheries people use. I haven't been down there recently, so you would need to check it out yourself. If the sand on the ramp is not a problem, I think you should be OK there.

robert_long
08-29-2005, 12:39 PM
Whats the shore line like close to the beach camp site.
Is rocky or sandy, drop off quickly etc. I may try shore
fishing from the camp area. Also what lures are recomended
from shore? Thanks in advance for any info.



Robert

drstressor
08-29-2005, 01:38 PM
When the date gets closer, we'll post on shore fishing at Pyramid. In general, it doesn't get really good until the water temps drop below 60. There are nice drop offs near the beaches that the fish follow later in the season. Early on, it's best to fish from the points that fall off into really deep water. We'll tell you exactly where these spots are. We also want to have some experienced Pyramid shore fishermen talk at the seminar on Friday night. We'll post a lot of stuff, but if you want the real skinny, come to the seminar at Crosby's where you can ask questions.

Boat fishing is really the way to go that early in the season though. You should have no problem bumming a ride as well as doing some shore fishing. The beaches are hard to describe. The lake is a geological phenomenon that has everything from sand to gravel to rubble, to huge tufa cliffs.

Rusty_Hooks
09-16-2005, 08:22 AM
I was out for jig heads yesterday and thought this might be the right time for a little more of this. ;)

drstressor
09-16-2005, 08:34 AM
As far as jigs go, bring 1/4-1/2 oz marabou jigs (black or green) and 3/4 - 1 oz Crippled Herring (green/white and chartreuse/white). Rig them with single siwash hooks.

Don't count on a jig bite like last year, but come prepared.

cheesehead
09-16-2005, 09:49 AM
The Marina is fine to launch anything under 20', there are some rocks and pilons just under the surface from the old docks get out 30 yards and you are fine, and there is 'decent' parking there.

Pelican, of course is the 'best' launching facility that Pryamid has to offer. (and I use the term 'best' with a can of beer in my hand) (as I do with most words.)

Warrior (North) and Blockhouse (South) also can be utilized, but i have not personally used these.

I have however witnessed a lot of 'trucks' get stuck launching their jet-ski's off a couple of the sand shores. I would not recommend this and I believe that it may not be 'allowed' (the term allowed of course being used loosly) (very loosly)

troutfan
09-16-2005, 11:46 AM
I had heard that they didn't recommend any boat over 16'at the Marina. Has that changed?

drstressor
09-16-2005, 11:54 AM
Next weekend I'll back my boat in at the Marina and have somebody take a picture of me standing next to it in waders. That way we can have real data instead of here say. ;D

troutfan
09-16-2005, 12:03 PM
Next weekend I'll back my boat in at the Marina and have somebody take a picture of me standing next to it in waders. That way we can have real data instead of here say. ;D
That's great Doc. *How is the water quality?*Is there algae near shore or is it fishable? *We were thinking about going out opening day and some years you have to go quite far off-shore. ???

cheesehead
09-16-2005, 01:05 PM
I was just going off of my own experience 2 weeks ago. The Frozen Lundra is 19 1/2' and I had no problems...

drstressor
09-16-2005, 01:08 PM
You never know about the Nodularia bloom. It usually happens in August or September. I haven't been out there for a few weeks, so maybe it has already happened. But the last couple of years it waited until right around the opener. I'll keep an eye on the water quality as the opener gets closer.

I understand that the Tribe is also going to have a tournament on opening weekend. It's going to be a zoo and a half.

That's really good news about the ramp Cheese. 8)

troutfan
09-16-2005, 01:10 PM
You never know about the Nodularia bloom. It usually happens in August or September. I haven't been out there for a few weeks, so maybe it has already happened. But the last couple of years it waited until right around the opener. I'll keep an eye on the water quality as the opener gets closer.

I understand that the Tribe is also going to have a tournament on opening weekend. It's going to be a zoo and a half.
Hmmm Maybe we'll go to Eagle! * Glad to hear about the boat Cheeshead. *Nothing like first hand knowledge. ;D Thanks for the Info Doc.

Rock_n_Reel
09-20-2005, 11:21 AM
Has anybody tried swimbaits? I'm guessing you could also bounce them off the bottom like a jig.

drstressor
09-20-2005, 12:07 PM
I've caught Pyramid fish with big swim baits, but they are not the most effective lures. The trout will hit just about anything in October. But they are up in the water column chasing chubs. Faster moving erratic lures work best until the water gets really cold. That's when dragging the bottom and bottom bouncing jigs sometimes works well.

Rusty_Hooks
09-20-2005, 05:13 PM
Picked these up this weekend

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/5279/picture0034sn.jpg

Took those colors and ran with them ;)

drstressor
09-20-2005, 07:27 PM
They won't work. ;D ;)

Rusty_Hooks
09-20-2005, 09:35 PM
Darn....I only bought three dozen ;) ;D ;D ::)

robert_long
09-21-2005, 07:25 AM
Poor Rusty...hey cut the hooks off and hand them out for key fobs.


Robert

drstressor
09-21-2005, 07:38 AM
Actually, I'd bet that they will work if he gets the action right. Those jigs have the chub pattern done very well.

Farrier_Frank
09-21-2005, 07:48 AM
The colors look right to me, Rusty. You could probably sell a couple of those to PB and me. ;)

SuperDave
09-21-2005, 07:52 AM
Rusty, where did you find them? What weight did you get?

Rusty_Hooks
09-21-2005, 08:33 AM
Outdoor pro shop in Rohnert Park...

1/2, 3/4 oz...they have them up to 1 1/2 oz

Megabaits and SPRO prime series

They do look interesting.... ;)the SPRO's are made with Gama hooks

I really didn't get three dozen ::)

Rock_n_Reel
09-21-2005, 09:34 AM
Wild Sports has them also.

Farrier_Frank
09-22-2005, 06:18 PM
What do you mean you didn't get three dozen of those jigs, Rusty ??? I was counting on bumming a couple - If they don't work I'll give them back. :D

Rusty_Hooks
09-23-2005, 04:29 PM
Frank...you just want a new watch fob ;D ;D ::)

How many remember what the heck a fob is?? :o ::)

THE_TROUTKING
09-25-2005, 06:05 PM
Rusty I also went to the outdoor pro shop today and got the same jigs. ;D

Brian

SuperDave
09-28-2005, 05:36 AM
How many jigs is enough? ???

metalmouth
09-28-2005, 06:57 AM
One is enough if it's on the pole that's catching fish.
MM 8) ;D 8)

CHICKFISHING58
09-28-2005, 08:20 AM
As far as jigs go, bring 1/4-1/2 oz marabou jigs (black or green) and 3/4 - 1 oz Crippled Herring (green/white and *chartreuse/white). *Rig them with single siwash hooks.

Don't count on a jig bite like last year, but come prepared.
Hey Doc,
I was trying to change out to single hooks when I finally got one done 45 min later I had it on backwards which one did you say not to change?

drstressor
09-28-2005, 08:47 AM
Rapala sells a needle nosed plier with a tooth made for opening up the slit rings and eyes on lures. You can get one at Sportsman's Warehouse. They make the job of switching hooks a lot easier.

Don't change Rapalas to single hooks or you will mess up the action. I would not recommend Rapalas this time of year unless your name is Bite_Me_II. *He always seems to be able to catch them on Shad Raps. Any other type of lure or jig should have a single hook. Pinch the barbs down if you are catching a lot of fish to make the releases easier.

Use just a single siwash hook at the rear eye of Lymans and Flatfish. Remove the front hook and leave the eye in place. Make sure the the hook is oriented downward in order to encourage lower jaw hook ups. *You will actually get more hookups on lures with single hooks and loose fewer fish. It's very unusual for a siwash hook to pull out.

SuperDave
09-28-2005, 11:56 AM
How many jigs is enough? *??? *

To answer my own question, it is apparently MORE than however many you currently have. I just bought 2 more at lunch. BUT, I'm sure these are the right ones, just like the others, when I bought them!

Farrier_Frank
09-28-2005, 02:35 PM
Are you talking to yourself again Hinrid?:D

FishMischief
09-28-2005, 08:21 PM
No crippled herrings within 30 miles of Pollock Pines. I found some 3/4 ounce gibbs and some castmasters in all the right colors, that'll have to do.

SuperDave
09-28-2005, 09:10 PM
I found the same empty pegs at FW yesterday. I found some nice ones at Broadway Bait today.

kstone44
09-28-2005, 10:25 PM
I ordered mine thru Cabelas . The shipping was cheaper than the cost of gas to go and buy them.

mighty_bite
10-01-2005, 10:21 AM
I think I have some the basic tackle you good people are useing now,thanks for the info.Givin the chance I would like to give these lures a try,they need hook modifications, any ideas would really help,Thanks http://momentoffame.com/photopost/data/514/medium/HPIM0736.JPG

FishMischief
10-01-2005, 11:19 AM
I replaced the trebel hooks on my jigs with the Siwash hooks that has been recomeded on these forums. I found some with an open eye and that made things real easy. I used the #2 size.

Farrier_Frank
10-01-2005, 04:49 PM
Mighty Bite... The trebles on the Rapallas are part of the action so you're stuck with those. The broken-back flatfish you show have three sets of hooks and that's taboo, only two sets are allowed at Pyramid. Personally I'd get rid of the trebles and go with two #4 or #5 Siwash or Octopus hooks on the flatfish. From my experience the Cut's in Pyramid hit hard and only one hook is necessary, and releasing them is a lot easier with only one hook. I also change the spoons to a single hook. That's all you need.

mighty_bite
10-01-2005, 05:29 PM
A selection of Siwash hooks it is! Thanks

tahoe_bob
10-03-2005, 07:49 PM
I've got a question about leader size when trolling. I've got 8# mono (or is it flouro?) on my reels now. Will that be OK? I would guess so but thought I'd ask...easy enough to respool.

Also, I picked up some 4.5" Apexes (3 different patterns with green or chartreuse in them) and a green/silver coyote spoon today at Fisherman's Warehouse in SAC. Did not see any crippled herrings in a white/green pattern.

TB

drstressor
10-03-2005, 08:01 PM
You can use 8 lb leaders if you like. That's what I use at Eagle and I wind up using my Eagle rigs at Pyramid until they break. The "problem" is that you catch a lot of fish at Pyramid and the lighter leaders just don't hold up for long.

The standard leader is 5 - 6 ft of 12 lb mono or fluorocarbon. Put a black #7 barrel swivel at one end and a #2 Duo-lock wire clip on the other end. 12 lb holds up much longer and lets you control the fish better at the boat.

If you are going to use lead core, use at least 30 ft of mono spliced to your leadcore. Put a clip at the end and attach that to the swivel on the Apex leader or to the barrel swivel of the leader described above for trolling spoons.

tahoe_bob
10-03-2005, 08:24 PM
Thanks as always Doc. Would it be beneficial to attach 5-6 feet of 12# mono or flouro to the end of the 8# I have spliced into the leadcore?

drstressor
10-03-2005, 08:35 PM
I would get rid of the 8 lb test. If you are lucky enough to get a good fish, you'll find that they fight completely different from the smaller (<28") fish. They usually just let you bring them right up to the boat and then they go completely nuts. You will wish that you had a minimum of 12 lb test in such a situation.

I use 8 lb main line for smaller lures such as 4 - 5" spoons and 4.5" Apexes. But mono has a lot of stretch that gives you a cushion if a fish decides to make a fast run. Leadcore doesn't stretch at all. So if you have a relatively short length of 8 lb test between a 12 lb leader and your leadcore, your asking that weak link to do a lot in a close in situation.

tahoe_bob
10-03-2005, 08:42 PM
I've got 30+ foot 8# leaders on my leadcore setups now but I'll take your advice and replace them with 12#....hate to lose a big one!

Happy_Tails
10-04-2005, 05:46 AM
If TB is going to use lead core do you he should put a sunbber between the leader and lead core for a little added stretch and cushion? Just a thought.

tahoe_bob
10-04-2005, 07:25 AM
Are these LCTs more fiesty than an Almanor rainbow, assuming the same size fish are concerned? *Leadcore with a 30-40 ft mono 8# leader works just fine there. *Or is the leader issue one of a combination of the potential quantity of good size fish and the potential to get into larger (5#+) fish at Pyramid than Almanor? Regardless, I think I'll switch to a 30-40 ft 12# leader.

TB

drstressor
10-04-2005, 07:52 AM
Most of the fish you will catch will be between 19 and 22 inches. They fight better at this time of year than after the water cools down, but they are not what I would call really hard fighters. Especially when caught trolling. But you might catch and release 30 fish per day. That tends to wear out leaders. Plus, you have a shot at fish >10 lb. As I described, the bigger ones can be hard to handle close to the boat. I loosen my drag way off when I have a big guy close to the top. They almost always come up completely green. Trust me, you'll hate yourself if you miss a trophy because of a light of frayed leader.

tahoe_bob
10-04-2005, 07:55 AM
Thanks again Doc. I'm convinced! :)

fishdude76
10-04-2005, 08:01 AM
I was planning on using a medium weight rod with 8lbs mono while toplining out there or use a sinker release with small weight and a pro troll trout killer. After reading about what Doc said about the 12lbs test, should I use my medium heavy with 12lbs or will the medium 8lbs test work?

Also planned to troll a fly for a while out there. Should I use the 8 wt with 250 gr line or 5 wt with intermediate sink? Thanks for the help.

drstressor
10-04-2005, 08:14 AM
8 lb is fine for main line if you use a 12 lb or heavier leader. While you can catch fish on just about any lure this time of year, I would again advise against using anything that is less than 4" long. A 4.5" Apex/Stingking or a 4" spoon is about as small as you should use. The fish can see large lures from further away and they are keying on baitfish that are 4" or more in length.

Trolling flies is another story. That's a really fun way to fish Pyramid. I use full sinking line with a 15' - 8 lb test fluorocarbon leader (12 lb is too heavy for flies). You can use any of the trolling fly patterns that I posted. Let out all of your fly line and about 40 ft of backing and troll as slowly as you can close to shore in the AM. Target 6-8 ft of water. You need to impart some action to the fly by jigging.

fishdude76
10-04-2005, 08:48 AM
Thanks Doc. Will the Stingking or Apex dive on its own or do I need to use something to get it down to depth?

drstressor
10-04-2005, 09:08 AM
You will need a 1/2 - 1 oz banana sinker between your leader and main line.

These lures are not like Flatfish or Kwikfish. They should have a much more erratic action than just a wobble. Troll fast enough so that the lures turns over about once every 20-30 sec.

fishdude76
10-04-2005, 09:37 AM
Thanks again Doc. Have you ever tried the sinker releases? I plan to get a couple of bananas for your advised method but already have some sinker releases with 1/2 oz balls. Wondering if any noticable difference when fighting the fish.

Reno_Reeler
10-04-2005, 10:08 AM
Doc,

I use a 6' leader between my trolling sinker and lure, or if I'm using an apex/sting king I use their pre-tied 4' leader.

Reno_Reeler
10-04-2005, 10:08 AM
Here's a picture. I probably should have added the lengths of the line segments.
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/985/pyramidtrolling9tr.jpg

drstressor
10-04-2005, 10:16 AM
Loose the treble hook and put the ball bearings snap swivel right at the end of the main line connected to the sinker and you'll have it! :)


I use a 6' leader between my trolling sinker and lure, or if I'm using an apex/sting king I use their pre-tied 4' leader.

That's what I do also. The stock Apex leaders are fine. It's not worth the bother to re-rig them or make them shorter.

Reno_Reeler
10-04-2005, 11:03 AM
Doc,

Thanks. I've edited the illustration in my previous post. Or should it look like this?
Mr. Snap Happy*http://img335.imageshack.us/img335/1886/hyper4hb.gifhttp://img335.imageshack.us/img335/6987/pyramidfestii8ja.gif


http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/1403/pyramidtrolling25pf.jpg

fishdude76
10-05-2005, 09:42 AM
Hey guys I have a few friends that are going to come up to Pyramid with me. They will be wading out. Any recomendations on spots to wade and lures? I know just south of the boat launch we have waded and caught a few on kastmasters. Like always thanks for any help. We'll be up Saturday afternoon to fish til night. Then maybe hang at the bombfire for a while to have a few drinks. Can't wait.

CHICKFISHING58
10-05-2005, 11:06 AM
the nets are a good place to fish need waders or blockhouse which is my favorite ;)

Reno_Reeler
10-05-2005, 11:43 AM
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/5930/chicken0nl.gif,

Nice of you to share.

P.S. Isn't there a convenient potty at Blockhouse too?*http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/2452/smileystar3ie.gifhttp://img193.imageshack.us/img193/2452/smileystar3ie.gifhttp://img193.imageshack.us/img193/2452/smileystar3ie.gifhttp://img193.imageshack.us/img193/2452/smileystar3ie.gifhttp://img193.imageshack.us/img193/2452/smileystar3ie.gif

fishdude76
10-05-2005, 12:05 PM
Thanks Chick.

What are you guys throwing out there? Are there any special roads that I need to know to get to the water? I went on a goose chase out at Pyramid before trying to get to water and ended up damn near getting my truck stuck.

drstressor
10-05-2005, 08:38 PM
Here are some shore spots that are usually good early in the season:

1)Spider Point (the first point to the north of Pelican). You can cast to deep water right off the point itself or into more shallow water off the rocks to the south of the point.

2) The Blockhouse. This is the only exist to the beach south of Sutcliffe that DOESN'T have a name sign. There is deep water very close to shore. Lots of people are generally fishing here.

3) Warrior point. Take the signed exit just before the pavement ends going north beyond Pelican. Fish the points casting to deep water.

You don't need waders at any of these spots. Use any large spoon or crippled herring jigs. Try a silver/chartreuse kastmaster. Let the lure sink for a long time before beginning the retrieve. For best results, "jig" the lure back in. Reel briefly, then stop and let the lure drop again. Keep doing this until the lure reaches shore.

Mickey_Thomas
10-06-2005, 06:54 AM
So no report from yesterday ::) that's it Doc, I'll never wait for you again. ;) I'm off to Pyramid, see everyone there I hope :D

SuperDave
10-06-2005, 07:14 AM
Hopefully this is no "Hellstock" all over again.

fishdude76
10-06-2005, 07:49 AM
Thanks Doc. That is very helpful info. Looking forward to meeting you guys Friday night and hearing what you've got to teach us.

Went to SW last night to get some StingKings and banana weights. They didn't have any 1 oz bananas left. Hopefully they'll restock by Saturday morning. I'm ready to catch some fatties this weekend. I'm getting all pumped up now.

somebody
10-06-2005, 08:05 AM
I havent seen any one mention bringing A frame ladders to sit on while casting

robert_long
10-06-2005, 10:21 AM
They do that for fly fishing from what I been told.