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fishfetcher
05-14-2010, 11:14 PM
Was thinking about trying the middle fork of the American sometime next week and was wondering if anyone could give me some pointers? I realize I'll probably have to hike in a little ways to get on some fish but that's fine with me. I'm mainly looking for some info on the best places to park and if I can expect there to be trails along the river or if I'll have to just work my way along the edge of the river? Any advice on what to use would also be appreciated, no fly pole...yet. I'm strictly c/r unless a fish is hooked really deep so you don't have to worry about me abusing the resource.
Thanks

fishfetcher
05-15-2010, 12:42 PM
anyone.....?

TRoutaholic
05-15-2010, 06:25 PM
The end of Volcanoville rode, about 9 miles outside Georgetown is one of my favorite places, but you must have 4X4 to get out! If you dont have a fly rod, try nightcrawlers or salmon eggs. You can fish downstream a couple hundred yards, but most access is upstream since they raise the water level in the morning to allow rafters. Even if you dont catch fish, you wont be disappointed! Good Luck!

piscolabis
05-16-2010, 09:24 AM
The flow of the Middle Fork of the American is not regulated. It's the South Fork that is regulated except on low-flow Wednesday during the summer. Chili Bar Dam releases are generally started at about 8 a.m. and reduced mid-afternoon for the rafters the other six days of the week.
The flows are very high right now on the South Fork and I would think that the snow melt has the North and Middle Forks going pretty good, too.

JTroutMan
05-16-2010, 07:11 PM
anyone.....?
I have never fished it, but I always thought from reading reports and sniffer articles that Oxbow lake on middle fork was pretty prime spots....

jjjewett
05-17-2010, 08:17 AM
The flow of the Middle Fork of the American is not regulated.

It is regulated below Oxbow. It might not be on a schedule like the SF is though.


The end of Volcanoville rode, about 9 miles outside Georgetown is one of my favorite places, but you must have 4X4 to get out!


I think this road was recently closed by the landowner. Can anyone verify???

TRoutaholic
05-17-2010, 06:35 PM
I havent been to Volcanoville since the opener in 2008, but that year they started keeping the gate open year round, and I believe the campgrounds and road are public, not private. I know the river flow IS controlled because I have been trapped on the opposite shore all day because the flow more than doubled...and we coulndnt get back across until evening, so be carefull. Afterward, I talked with the forest service station in Georgetown, and they said it was to allow the rafters to go through. If you go, I would love to hear how you do. I hope to get down there soon myself!
TR

jjjewett
05-18-2010, 08:25 AM
http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/eldorado/documents/other/recreate.htm

The road is closed. If anyone here knows the landowner, PM me.
Also, if any of y'all are interested in wheelin down to the MFA, PM me. Im in.

-JJ

Pirate4x4_camo
05-18-2010, 04:23 PM
I live very near by and can and often do ride my quad right from my house.

A land owner did try and illegally gate off the road and would call the sheriff if he saw saw you pass. However the sheriff was powerless to act since the road is a a FS road with legal and historic easements.

Now for the bad news. Last year when the forest service was sued by the enviros to implement a FS travel plan, they closed over a thousand miles of FS roads in the eldorado national forest alone.

the offroad community spent countless time, money and energy fighting to keep as much open as possible.

the road to cache rock was one of the roads they closed rather then do their job and maintain the dirt road.

here is what we outdoor enthusiast have lost thanks to the bureaucrats.

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http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa153/camo_p4x4/fishing/DSC00347.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa153/camo_p4x4/Volcanoville/IMG_0054.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa153/camo_p4x4/Volcanoville/minerscamp001.jpg

Pirate4x4_camo
05-18-2010, 04:28 PM
oh and here is the middle fork as seen from my backyard.

there is no public access to that and you will run into less then accommodating landowners should you venture in.

your best bet is a rafting float trip down the river with a guide or drive into oxbow from the foresthill side

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa153/camo_p4x4/Volcanoville/DSC00384.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa153/camo_p4x4/Volcanoville/l_8c44b221adee45609a185e131bf31b10.jpg

Pirate4x4_camo
05-18-2010, 04:46 PM
if you know people who live in ALT then you can ride horses to some pretty amazing spots on the MFA on private horse trails

there are a few hiking trails down to the MFA but I am not certain on the legality of them. try cock robin trail.

your last option is Ruck-A-Chuck rapids which can be accessed off sliger mine road off 193 on the Gtown divide side and Ruck-a-chuck road off the forrest hill side of the river.

Pirate4x4_camo
05-18-2010, 05:02 PM
also worth fishing is ellicot bridge on the Rubicon river.

FYI.... the rubicon river and the North fork of the middle fork american flow into oxbow and below oxbow res it becomes the MFA

the fishing on the rubicon is strangely different then the MFA. crystal clear water, low flows, deep pools and spooky fish. you will need to stalk the pools and after a few cast the fish are gone. start hiking up to the next pool. however you are now in prime bear country and a weary eye is advised.

Pirate4x4_camo
05-18-2010, 05:19 PM
and if you think I am kidding about the bears....

jumped this 450 pounder near the river and ran him all the way to hell hole before he treed.
( thats about 8 miles on the back dirt roads )

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa153/camo_p4x4/2008%20Bear%20hunt/bxxx.jpg

TRoutaholic
05-19-2010, 09:15 AM
P4X4-Thanks for the great info! This is very sad, as this has always been on of my favorite places...especially when I had my 71 CJ5. I havent been in 2 yrs due to no 4X4, and now it's gone! I hope that changes in the future. This is a beautiful, and very secluded stretch of the river!

GCinGV
05-20-2010, 06:40 AM
I live very near by and can and often do ride my quad right from my house.

A land owner did try and illegally gate off the road and would call the sheriff if he saw saw you pass. However the sheriff was powerless to act since the road is a a FS road with legal and historic easements.

Now for the bad news. Last year when the forest service was sued by the enviros to implement a FS travel plan, they closed over a thousand miles of FS roads in the eldorado national forest alone.

the offroad community spent countless time, money and energy fighting to keep as much open as possible.

the road to cache rock was one of the roads they closed rather then do their job and maintain the dirt road.

here is what we outdoor enthusiast have lost thanks to the bureaucrats.

.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa153/camo_p4x4/fishing/DSC00347.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa153/camo_p4x4/Volcanoville/IMG_0054.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa153/camo_p4x4/Volcanoville/minerscamp001.jpg
I heard the same thing that itís public access and the landowner canít legally block off the road. I understand heís trying to block the access in order to make a private fishing club similar to the one below Oxbow. There is a bit of a feud over the issue right now. Some of the other locals keep tearing out the gate as quick as he puts it up. The local law doesnít even want to go to Volcano Ville much less get involved in a feud.
Boy the law suite sure did close off some access. The only remaining access to the Middle Fork, Iím aware of on the entire GT divide is the one below Sliger Mine Rd. Itís also closed from late fall to early spring for erosion control so there is now winter access at all.
Although 2wd would probably make it, itís a borderline 4wd road right now. The Bows have been biting but nothing to write home about. Last weekend my grandson caught 4 from 12 to 14Ē caught on crawlers. This Sat. my son hooked and lost one good-sized fish but that was it for the day.