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onenate7
03-18-2011, 09:28 AM
When trolling the grubs do you use a jighead? By itself or with a dodger? Thanks fellow sniffers just new to trolling for trout and trying to get dialed in.

Yosemite Sam
03-18-2011, 10:12 AM
I use a wobble disc and a chain swivel to prevent twisting of the line. I don't use any jig heads, just a #4 or 6 long shank hook. I also place a red bead between the wobble disc and the hook.

Good luck,

YS

Delta_Rose
03-18-2011, 11:28 AM
Great question, I was wondering that myself. I don't mean to hijack, but what about the best colors? Two inch or three inch?

onenate7
03-18-2011, 11:43 AM
Interesting so no weight at all?

Fishbucket
03-18-2011, 12:15 PM
No weight. wiggle fin and a long shank hook. any trout eating size.

Any color, watermelon,white,black, orange.

Bare bones out the back of the boat toplining.

Put the hook point out the opposite the tail side.

Barleycorn
03-18-2011, 01:03 PM
Some days I'll use a dodger and some days I wont, depends on the water color or lake/res IMO. I dont use any weight/jighead either and I "slow" troll the hell out of these things. 6# P-line CXX is what I like. I've heard of guys using small split shots though, about 3 feet above the hook, if you're not fishing a dodger. 1-1.6 mph is what has worked best on my boat. Make sure you vary your trolling speed, to see what they want. I really like the sep's sidekick or slingblade dodger with approx 6-16inch leader, depending on the conditions. Most of the time I'll use a 3-4ft leader if I'm not dodgering it. I personally have killed the fish on seps 2" grubs in all the colors. Pearl or orange are my go to colors though. I also always use a small chain swivel as well. If the fish want them, those grubs are much more fun to fish than those messy crawlers IMO,hahaha! My 2 cents worth and hope it helps gang!

onenate7
03-18-2011, 01:12 PM
It definitely helps all input is great thanks

Koke Machine83
03-18-2011, 02:35 PM
Here's what i use. Set ups and colors...

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh2/kokemachine/Camanche030111009_resize.jpg

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh2/kokemachine/CVATroutDerby32110Camanche019_resize.jpg

Here is my set up... #2 long shank hook (aberdeen), 5' leader, 1/8 oz bullet weight, crane swivel. Leader can be from #6 to 10#
Troll them slow. 1.3 - 1.7 GPS

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh2/kokemachine/Berryessa41010007_Resize.jpg

As for color... Bright white, Pearl white, firetiger, Orange, Yellow, just keep changing to find out what they want... Good Luck

Robbie (Koke Machine)...

Captn ofthe Crest
03-18-2011, 02:49 PM
Robbie is going to put somebody on some fish! Thats :moneybag1:

Jetspray
03-18-2011, 05:05 PM
I like Koke Machine83's setup here is a link for wiggle fins action disc. You use them in the palce of a dodger, but dodgers are OK too......Jetspray




ActionDiscs - Add swimming action to bass baits, walleye rigs, salmon lures and trolling flies. (http://wigglefin.com/)

Captain Compassion
03-18-2011, 06:14 PM
Never trolled with these things. Guess I'll have to give them a try this year. Wonder if they would work at Pyramid??

CC

onenate7
03-18-2011, 09:22 PM
You guys are so awesome for all the info.,this is what this site is about. I hope one of these days I'll have some good info for all of you as well.

TroutGhost
03-19-2011, 02:00 AM
Thanks JetSpray for the actiondisc reference, I love it, looks like a fun thing to play around with. :)

In the effect it resembles the Luck E Strike Scroungers only not limited to jig type situations.

Jetspray
03-19-2011, 08:15 AM
Thanks JetSpray for the actiondisc reference, I love it, looks like a fun thing to play around with. :)

In the effect it resembles the Luck E Strike Scroungers only not limited to jig type situations.


You rig the action disc up the line with a bead on the tip and a good slip bobber stop below that. This allows you to move the disc up and down the leader to affect the action of the lure or grub. Some lakes it doesn't do too well but others it is da bomb.......Jetspray

wigglefin
01-04-2013, 11:05 AM
You rig the action disc up the line with a bead on the tip and a good slip bobber stop below that. This allows you to move the disc up and down the leader to affect the action of the lure or grub. Some lakes it doesn't do too well but others it is da bomb.......Jetspray



You can see the ActionDisc being trolled underwater with a number of different baits in this youtube video;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8H8ZlccOh8

- Dean

Bainter1212
01-04-2013, 11:51 AM
Just my 2 cents.....try the grub on a Mustad slow death "intense crawler action" hook. Should give the grub itself some action. It sure works for crawlers.

Jetspray
01-04-2013, 12:17 PM
You can see the ActionDisc being trolled underwater with a number of different baits in this youtube video;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8H8ZlccOh8

- Dean

Pretty cool video of the action imparted by the wigglefin. Sizes and colors make a difference as shown. Very easy to use on grubs or most anything else which improves movement in the water coloumb.......Jetspray

Jetspray
01-04-2013, 12:19 PM
Just my 2 cents.....try the grub on a Mustad slow death "intense crawler action" hook. Should give the grub itself some action. It sure works for crawlers.

Yep I have a few of them in different sizes that I use. Great stuff......Jetspray

Mustad slow death "intense crawler action" hook: compare prices and read reviews - Bing Shopping (http://www.bing.com/shopping/search?q=Mustad+slow+death+%22intense+crawler+acti on%22+hook&qpvt=Mustad+slow+death+%22intense+crawler+action%2 2+hook&FORM=HURE)

TroutGhost
01-04-2013, 12:26 PM
The slow death hooks are great, they also seem to increase the hook up rate, which is why I pulled them out of the tacklebox last summer, to combat lost hook sets. But something to keep in mind is that the unusual curves in the shank introduce a weak point in the metal. The result is an increase in the possibility of break-offs. I had a half dozen break-offs in a week using those last year. Mustad Slow Death and Tru-turn hooks have a similar design compromise. I experienced that and then a few months later read a good book about terminal tackle that mentioned the design compromise that creates a weak point in those kinds of hooks, which matched up with my experience. So while the hooks will introduce a wiggle and possibly more hook-ups (in my experience but ymmv), there is also imo an increase in the possibility of snapped hooks.

Jfitalia
01-04-2013, 12:38 PM
Here's what i use. Set ups and colors...

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh2/kokemachine/Camanche030111009_resize.jpg

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh2/kokemachine/CVATroutDerby32110Camanche019_resize.jpg

Here is my set up... #2 long shank hook (aberdeen), 5' leader, 1/8 oz bullet weight, crane swivel. Leader can be from #6 to 10#
Troll them slow. 1.3 - 1.7 GPS

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh2/kokemachine/Berryessa41010007_Resize.jpg

As for color... Bright white, Pearl white, firetiger, Orange, Yellow, just keep changing to find out what they want... Good Luck

Robbie (Koke Machine)...


the most important thing to remember about these photos is that the hook is facing the opposite way of the hook. this will prevent the tail and hook from interfering with each other.

i to do not use a weight unless i want to drop down a little bit. don't be afraid to throw black into your color combo as well.

Jfitalia
01-04-2013, 12:43 PM
The slow death hooks are great, they also seem to increase the hook up rate, which is why I pulled them out of the tacklebox last summer, to combat lost hook sets. But something to keep in mind is that the unusual curves in the shank introduce a weak point in the metal. The result is an increase in the possibility of break-offs. I had a half dozen break-offs in a week using those last year. Mustad Slow Death and Tru-turn hooks have a similar design compromise. I experienced that and then a few months later read a good book about terminal tackle that mentioned the design compromise that creates a weak point in those kinds of hooks, which matched up with my experience. So while the hooks will introduce a wiggle and possibly more hook-ups (in my experience but ymmv), there is also imo an increase in the possibility of snapped hooks.

i haven't experienced this yet with the hooks, however now I'll probably have it happen.

Bainter1212
01-04-2013, 01:29 PM
Thanks Troutghost now we're cursed! Lol

Koke Machine83
01-04-2013, 05:26 PM
At Camanche, I stay away from the Light Wire Worm Hooks... I have had them break at the Bend, while the fish were in the net... Also, when you get a grab and it dosen't stick, Drop the Grub back a few feet (Free Fall) and let the boat pick up the slack. Hang On!!! They will Crush It... I use the 1/8 oz weights, just to help keep it under the Water... Heavier weights when i need to get down a little ways... Good Luck

Jetspray
01-05-2013, 06:02 AM
At Camanche, I stay away from the Light Wire Worm Hooks... I have had them break at the Bend, while the fish were in the net... Also, when you get a grab and it dosen't stick, Drop the Grub back a few feet (Free Fall) and let the boat pick up the slack. Hang On!!! They will Crush It... I use the 1/8 oz weights, just to help keep it under the Water... Heavier weights when i need to get down a little ways... Good Luck


Yep most salmanoids have a quick strike S form before they strike. They also have a funnel type mouth and hit like an aligator, full force. Wire hooks somtimes miss the mark, and I will be checking out how they work this season.......Jetspray