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fisherman4Ever
04-21-2011, 01:03 PM
I question this every time someones says they've caught a sturg under the maximum size. How did you measure that fish? I always hear three different answers. Can's seem to find this answer in the DFG site, so which answer is the correct one?

1. from the head to the fork of the tail.
2. from head to tip of the longest tail.
3. from head to top of the tail.

Reel Fun
04-21-2011, 01:26 PM
#2!!!!!!!!!!!! Some states use the fork in the tail but in CA its the nose to tail. Not sure but it should be stated on that 10 ft roll of paper you got otherwise known as a license & Sturg report card?


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Fishbucket
04-21-2011, 01:59 PM
Tip of nose to tip of tail .. AKA: total length.

Gadabout
04-21-2011, 03:39 PM
Hey ReelFun, thanks, the bit about the 10 foot license had me rolling.:happy:

Ondabank
04-21-2011, 04:22 PM
Here is my related question, how do you measure? Do you lay the tape on the ground and put the fish on it, hold it over the fish or beside the fish and get close? I always think of that question after Mr. F&G leaves.

Fishbucket
04-21-2011, 06:32 PM
Hold the tape even with the nose... measure down the side and where the last shred of tail touches the tape is the length.

Seon
04-22-2011, 04:47 AM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mgzk9udLx6c/SnMTG5XIcnI/AAAAAAAAAKg/wd8zD-yVt_0/s1600/Picture%2B5.png

hotdog
04-22-2011, 05:55 AM
That's interesting Seon. I've never done the pinching thing, I just measure from the nose to the tip of tail in its relaxed state.

Seon
04-22-2011, 06:29 AM
I found that attachment on the net and thought I'd post it.

Disclaimer: I never have measured a fish that way so if you use this method, use it at your own risk...especially if the warden wants to measure it :nerves: :lolk:

FishWisher
04-22-2011, 06:49 AM
I Googled "measure fish" images and saw that diagram for Indiana and Oklahoma. There are probably several states who have that pinch rule, but Kalifornistan apparently isn't one of 'em.

fisherman4Ever
04-22-2011, 02:21 PM
So when in doubt throw it out... LOL

Yosemite Sam
04-22-2011, 07:05 PM
If it's shorter than your fishing lic. and sturgeon card it's probably not legal!!

YS

Seon
04-23-2011, 05:12 AM
What I've done was "etched" three permanent lines on my swim deck. One line on end and two on the other end. For those Sturgeon that appear to be keepers, I place the nose of the Sturgeon on the single line while it's tail is towards the other two lines...one at 46" and the other at 66". If the Dino isn't within the bracket..it goes back in the drink.

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1600/687113/23313099/394688023.jpg

FishWisher
04-23-2011, 05:59 AM
You can barely see the stick, but I use this tape thingy in the water. Like Seon, it's marked at 46" and is 66" long:

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s8/FishWisher/sturgtape.jpg

sturgeonsearchin
04-23-2011, 05:38 PM
I measure them the same in relaxed position on their side as I'm sure most do:question: good question to post!

D_<><
04-24-2011, 06:00 AM
I never measured like that before but when fish and game check my stripers, that's how they measure it too.


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mgzk9udLx6c/SnMTG5XIcnI/AAAAAAAAAKg/wd8zD-yVt_0/s1600/Picture%2B5.png

Marty Gingras
04-24-2011, 06:57 AM
Hello all,

Oregon and Washington states recently switched from total length to fork length for sturgeon. Here is a link to a flyer that Washington State sent out on-topic:

http://www.dfw.state.or.us/resources/fishing/docs/sturgeon_angler_notice_flyer.pdf

Note that their stated rationale was "Research has shown that fork length is a more precise method of measuring sturgeon. This method reduces error due to tail fin injuries and differences in the length and position of the lobes of the tail fin."

If you would rather the California regulation required that fork length rather than total length be measured and are willing to make a minor effort to encourage that, a very good way is to send email and/or letters to the California Fish and Game Commission recommending that. The sooner the better, because the FGC considers routine regulations at set intervals (every 3 years) and I believe they start in early 2012.

White sturgeon fork length is [about] 90% of total length, so the 'fork length equivalent' of the present slot limit is [about] 42-60 inches.

The Commission's contact information is this:

Mailing Address:
California Fish and Game Commission
P.O. Box 944209
Sacramento, CA 94244-2090

Phone Number: (916) 653-4899
Fax Number: (916) 653-5040
Email: fgc@fgc.ca.gov

Take care

Marty Gingras
Supervising Biologist (Fisheries)
California Department of Fish and Game
Bay Delta Region
4001 North Wilson Way
Stockton, California 95205

Phone (209) 948-3702
FAX (209) 946-6355
email mgingras@dfg.ca.gov

FishWisher
04-24-2011, 07:30 AM
Marty -

Thanks, but I'll pass on that one!

It seems to me just one more way to reduce the take of the legal fishermen while the poachers continue to slide. And I'd rather not take smaller sturgeon while having the upper limit shortened!

By the way, Marty, can you tell us how many sworn officers now serve in DFG? Last I heard was the paltry approximation of 170.

Thanks.

Marty Gingras
04-24-2011, 07:47 AM
Marty -

Thanks, but I'll pass on that one!

It seems to me just one more way to reduce the take of the legal fishermen while the poachers continue to slide. And I'd rather not take smaller sturgeon while having the upper limit shortened!

By the way, Marty, can you tell us how many sworn officers now serve in DFG? Last I heard was the paltry approximation of 170.

Thanks.

Hi all,

Here is a link to the relationship between white sturgeon total length and fork length from fish we collected in 2006:

ftp://ftp.delta.dfg.ca.gov/Adult_Sturgeon_and_Striped_Bass/white%20sturgeon%20total%20length-fork%20length.JPG

You'll see that the relationship is both linear and quite tight. Using different datasets you would expect to get slightly different slopes (i.e., the range would move up or down very slightly), but the fact that the relationship is linear means switching to fork length from total length using the statistical relationship between fork length and total length would not reduce the take of the legal fishermen. If you think it would, how so?

I don't know how many sworn officers now serve in DFG.

Take care

Marty Gingras
Supervising Biologist (Fisheries)
California Department of Fish and Game
Bay Delta Region
4001 North Wilson Way
Stockton, California 95205

Phone (209) 948-3702
FAX (209) 946-6355
email mgingras@dfg.ca.gov (mgingras@dfg.ca.gov)

sturgeonsearchin
04-24-2011, 09:09 AM
I would think that measuring from fork would be the way to go. It definitely takes all the guessing out of any measurement, ie; tail at relaxed or swept back position, also any tail cutting if anyone is dumb enough to try that! So I'm for the fork to nose method it's a no brainer solution.

HHEVISHOT5
04-24-2011, 09:35 AM
Try putting a sturgeon on it's side to measure.. lol