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    Re: Anyone else worried about the AR?

    I'd rather not be in the basin combat fishing. Those clean fish gotta come up through the river. Ill keep hitting areas were the crowds aren't crazy thick. Good deal on those clean salmon.

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    Was at the AR wed&Sat with my son up in the Basin area, limited both times all nice clean fish all caught legally dont get me wrong we had are share on some snagged fish but i let them all go i'm by the book i dont keep snagged fish iv'e seen so many people up there getting fat tickets for snagged fish or giving fish away its just not worth it but i do see it every time im up there there's of clean getting past the gates FISH ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

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    Re: Anyone else worried about the AR?

    Quote Originally Posted by QueenAnnesRevenge View Post
    Yes lower
    In my experience, the American really shines as a worm and spoon river. Especially after a rain when all the lawn worms get flushed down the sewer drains
    The roe bite for me has been upriver from sunrise up and with natural colored roe, no dye no added scent and a tiny ball of roe, about the size of a dime including puff ball.
    I know guys that do well consistently but I do well enough with worms and spoons to not hassle with roe.
    About the only time I catch steel on roe is on comically large balls fishing for salmon in September haha so my first paragraph is probably nonsense

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    I was bobber fishing roe dyed red for salmon. Not one take, not even from dark fish porpousing around me. Thought I’d at least get a 1/2 pounder to eat it. I was up around the ponds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjb View Post
    Were you lower in the river? I couldn’t get bit with roe the whole day!
    Yes lower
    In my experience, the American really shines as a worm and spoon river. Especially after a rain when all the lawn worms get flushed down the sewer drains
    The roe bite for me has been upriver from sunrise up and with natural colored roe, no dye no added scent and a tiny ball of roe, about the size of a dime including puff ball.
    I know guys that do well consistently but I do well enough with worms and spoons to not hassle with roe.
    About the only time I catch steel on roe is on comically large balls fishing for salmon in September haha so my first paragraph is probably nonsense

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    Quote Originally Posted by QueenAnnesRevenge View Post
    Fished steelhead yesterday just to enjoy the rain.
    Caught half dozen half pounders with a mini crawler under a float. Flossed 2 zombie salmon on the float crawler combo.
    Saw nice school of fresh salmon moving up, but had to go to work.
    For what it's worth, there wasn't another fishermen within a mile of me.

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    Were you lower in the river? I couldn’t get bit with roe the whole day!

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    Re: Anyone else worried about the AR?

    Fished steelhead yesterday just to enjoy the rain.
    Caught half dozen half pounders with a mini crawler under a float. Flossed 2 zombie salmon on the float crawler combo.
    Saw nice school of fresh salmon moving up, but had to go to work.
    For what it's worth, there wasn't another fishermen within a mile of me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dsa2780 View Post
    November and I still haven't seen a single carcass on the bank or any real zombies. Did see about 20 hooked yesterday, so fish are coming through...
    Yea, I was a little concerned with no salmon carcasses seen anywhere I was at. I’ll give it another go again this month. Hope for the rains.

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    November and I still haven't seen a single carcass on the bank or any real zombies. Did see about 20 hooked yesterday, so fish are coming through...

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    I fished the river for the first time this year by the ponds. Man has the river changed. A small pod of fresh fish moved through. Saw some chromes caught. Watched a huge red buck control an entire riffle section. Spots definitely changed and fish are holding in new areas. That river looks so fishy. It’s a damn shame there isn’t more fish. Tons of new ruffles and gravel. Hopefully bigger schools come up. Looking forward to steelhead in December. Water was cold.

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    Re: Anyone else worried about the AR?

    Quote Originally Posted by bajakarr View Post
    Greetings Nor CaL Drifter,

    Actually I've been worried and/or disappointed since we had the near collapse of some of the runs a few years back. I don't the AR has ever fully recovered. I remember being out their one in my dad's old boat, the last season before the fishing ban was set in place. And the lower American here. Nothing past the Hwy 160 Camp pollack area. We both were amazed that we had spent a couple of hours a piece, not knowing about each others activities. Neither one of us marked a single fish that night. I don't remember the month. Probably early to mid October. I'm not sure of the counts they have been at Nimbus Hatchery but just my empirical from the last years would tell they are not same as the good golden days a few years back. Night fishing on American was my think for several years. And hey, I'm not THAT old... :) Lack of water, warm when released. Negligent dam operation allowing countless redds to exposed. And the folks worry the wild strain may become a thing of the past. On the positive side I know there has some attempt to re establish some more "natural" gravel on the upper part . Two things about that, As smart as we think are we never seem to get all figured out , maybe parts og it , even when on the rare occasions we actually get money to try to fix things, But then we do bonehead things like allowing some of those sparkling new gravel beds to go dry. I'l be short today Nor Cal Drifter. I used to love the night fishing on the lower AR. My personal is a topic for another day, But I do remember, even on week nights
    before it all started to away - was around 2007-8 or so> I Cant remember when the total ban and the partial ban went into effect. But I do remember the year or so before it was deemed necessary. I spent many a night that year at my spot, in my boat not marking even one fish. I used to catch quite a few there. Hey I am not even that Nor Cal Drifter but, yes having to get early sometimes before the even sometimes before the sun even srt to make I had access to my one favorite down just a bit from the Hwy 160 bridge. it's still the only hole of it's type that in that lower Hwy 160 to the mouth stretch. And if you got to your spot just a bit before sunset and there was a deeper hole there you would see gymnastics come to life, They just roll in this hole. There was a lot of jumping. You might forget about catching them, at least that was my experience, and stare them eye to as they would jump right by your boat. Sometimes they could scare the crap out if weren't paying. If I have one golden moment, golden memory it was when I had brought my wife's mother and her husband (step dad ) and her father and his girl friend. Yeah sometimes its complicated. I was showing them by example how to jig. so we were all looking behind the baot focused on the same general spot while I was jigging. Out of nowhere, maybe 10-15 behind the boat came this sparkling clean, sliver 20 something salmon making this beautiful arched leap right in front of us. The sun had just started to set and so you glowing sky in the background, It was incredibly unexpected, incredibly graceful and hey just a beautiful thing. her father has passed now but I asked him when he was near the end if he remembered that night. if you knew Don he really primarily cared about golf, and then, after playing a round going out and sitting out on the patio drinking liquor and telling lies as he used to like to say. Oh yeah> All of this stuff for this point. I don't go out nearly as much as I used to> I have ha a few boats come and go since the ban years. But even a year maybe 2 before as you noticed and commented,all of that has gone away. It might have around 10 years now when I look back to remember those at dusk rolling, jumping, cavorting salmon shows. So what happened? Is it a coincidence that the shows stopped about the same time the population decline began? I have no answer. But it would certainly seem that some force is at work that we simply don't understand. The place I know the place has not changed much over the years> I think it was like a river oasis if that makes any sense. On slack tide they could just kind of suspend, rest up for the end run just another day away. I've gotten pretty discouraged over the night fishing thing. I didn't even buy a license last year. Jigging, when you do it hours on end like I do, requires a little crumb of payoff. like actually catching a salmon every now and then. It hasn't much for since the ban years. i'm not saying there aren't salmon in the AR right but I can say this. I was out of the state then out of the country and sick as dog for almost 2 weeks now since I returned. It's hard to enjoy your vacation as much when thinking about prime salmon passing you by. So, this past Monday, after washing a few layers of dust then mud off my boat at the SaC marina, and could somebody please tell me how can something that literally spends all of its time floating on water get so darn Dirty. It was just at dusk when I headed. It had been few weeks but even back a then I had noticed some pretty good looking stacks in the deep holes out from the launch Have a new Chirp and downscan ff this year. Love the Chirp But I think downscan is pretty worthless on the Sac River. I don't need to see structure so for salmon and turbidity makes a clouded mess, Regardless, just up maybe a quarter mile from the Miller Holes, about mid channel just down a bit from where all the guys that cast from the Miller park banks the Chirp went crazy. I have never seen a screen like this. And I wasn't wearing my tech hat that night - I didn't think to get a screen until until much later. So it's down to credibility. But I.m telling you the screen was packed from the river bottom mud to a few from the surface. This went on until I was well past the curve of the park there. It was dark then. Even though I think I have just about glo accessory ever invented by man I've had success using them while than else. Regardless, i turned the boat around back to Miller, rigged up one white colored dark spotted glo flat fish and had a run at them. And? Skunk of course. And you know what? I didn't care . It was just really to see that many fish in a concentrated area at one time. I think just peak of slack tide. What does this with with the AR. I went and anchored at my spot that - kind of. The the hell> The river flows have cut back severely since I left . I had a really tough finding any of my landmarks. It totally had changed in appearance,. Regardless. None of them or very few of them made the right turn to go up the American, Honestly I saw more fish on the AR back in early September than the other, I think most were false returns from stacks and the like, I spent the night on my new for this year Maxum 25 SCR> turned on the fish to maximum intensity. Nothing. And do mean maybe every 30 -40 minutes apart you might get a couple of stragglers and I figured out with the wind pushing up the channel being stronger than current coming down I kept swinging over something that even the brilliant Chirp was mistaking to fish. Got up at dawn, ran up as far I dared toward and drifted back the north where the current ad channel run. a few very scattered here and there. Swung out and drifted more mid channel for the same result.. This situation going on now on the AR is pretty my I almost gave it up This is just a snapshot on a couple of trips this year. Maybe there are better stories out there mine. Again Im marking a lot of fish in some pretty nice groups on the SacRiver but they are jetting trough . I went back down river on the Sac the next morning thinking I hit might that group again But they were long gone. Nir Cal Drifter as you can see I have and no self control when to talking about salmon. It became a passion later in life for me. Maybe too close for my wife's taste in early days. Cool thing back then she would actually come out and be my net lady. But when it starting slowing down I think she realized girls day at the spa might ultimately more attractive than chiseling out sardine goo from under her fingernails. Ok So all of this brings me this final point. How in the hell could water coming down the AR from relatively short distance, coming from the lower layers of the dam Right? That's question. Constantly showing l over two degrees more the Sac River? Oroville dumped its cold bottom of the dam water to make alot more storage because the spillway wont fully repaired this . and known that Shasta have keep so colder in reserve with Coleman Fish hatchery literally hanging inn the if they screw up again. But I think Oroville has now cut its own outflows and shasta is over 200 miles away.How can the American River right now at the peak of the fall salmon run be releasing water this will potentially, literally kill the salmon eggs from the wild salmon spawning ib redds on the river bottom. The Sac river was around60.2 onn average. I was shocked when I turned up the American and saw temps go up to around 62.5- In the middle of October. I have not seen the Cal ISOs manuals and what triggers their outflow data blah, blah, blah. I can't say the salmon have changed their on the AR. But that's a pretty big shift inn behavior on my book. I doubt it has been something beneficial they have found going up in to American River. Could it be something as simple as the behavior of the salmon zipping past Sacramento on their to finding the cooler waters up at Red Bluff and Redding. Be Folsom Dam that's exactly what they and spring rum salmon. do they feel literally like they are being cooked when suddenly faced with an immediate 2,5 increase in water. The Sac River is still a death trap if at 60 degrees. The eggs are only viable for a short period of time in water hotter tha 58 degrees right> I think ultimately in our area with its other water demands and a lot of political lined with the people fish mentality the future of the AR does not look. I don't no Tthink ifIwere a salmon and instincts tell me to keep swimming upstream until i reach cooler water, that's what I am going to do,And when I finally reach that 58 Degree deep pool of nirvana I will b performing the tightest surface rolls ever seen by salmon or man and leapimg the highest leaps . But you know. 62.5 temp just isnt cutting it. In fact its killing our off spring before they're even hatched. yep our numbers our numbers down. sorry for hi jacking your thread. feel free blow it up if you feel the need. Even now hoope springs eternal. I will taking my bil up the AR next week. wish us lucl
    That’s a wall of text but I hear your passion for the American river loud and clear!

    Thanks for posting that. It’s great to see what we used to have in the local area from anglers who were there.
    Here they come!

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