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Steelhead
08-05-2005, 03:36 PM
Our Crew just finished a 3-Day trip on the Klamath from Happy Camp down and reported seeing numerous dead fish. Catfish, Suckers and Steelhead smolts, all juvenile fish. Anyone else know
about this?

Michael Charlton
Redwoods and Rivers
PO Box 606 Big Bar, CA. 96010
michael@redwoods-rivers.com
www.redwoods-rivers.com

STURGEONSTOMPER
08-05-2005, 06:35 PM
I hear this over and over,how are they killing these fish?

fishrman4life
08-06-2005, 12:05 AM
some of em are real able to cope with big changes like the cats, they are scrappy, so i dont know why the klamath is spitting so many out

troutfisherman
08-06-2005, 04:07 PM
because they are draining the river causing the temps to go up and the flows to go down.

Steelhead
08-06-2005, 06:41 PM
TF nailed the ten word description.

Last week Tom Stienstra claimed the blame for the 2001 fish kill is soley the responsibility of the Scott Vally farmers who totally dewatered the Scott River causing temps to soar in the Klamath.

I live in Scott Valley. I have seen riverbottom turned into a playground for ORVs every summer for years now.

When water temps hit 70 steelhead and salmon, particularly smolts trying to make their way down river, become very stresed and very suseptable to ich (gill rot). The bacteria conversely does very well in warm water.

Bottom line is fish do not do well without adequate supplies of sufficiently cool water.

Diego916
08-07-2005, 06:20 AM
The levee break must have some impact ???

Steelhead
08-07-2005, 07:38 PM
Here are a few items for your perusal.

If you really want to know ???

http://www.fishsniffer.com/steelhead/031114calcohorecovery.html

http://www.fishsniffer.com/steelhead/031106nrc.html

MORE INFORMATION

http://www.fishsniffer.com/dbachere/050805bushwater.html

http://www.fishsniffer.com/dbachere/050729budget.html

http://www.fishsniffer.com/dbachere/050411mostthreatened.html

http://www.fishsniffer.com/dbachere/050214klamath.html

http://www.fishsniffer.com/dbachere/050102subsidies.html

http://www.fishsniffer.com/dbachere/041222noaa.html

http://www.fishsniffer.com/dbachere/041202salmon.html

Wolf74
08-07-2005, 08:29 PM
Thanks for the info.

Steelhead
08-07-2005, 10:02 PM
You folks are more than welcome.

My job is to try and keep you informed so you can formulate your own opinion.

Then we can toss it around here 8)

fishrman4life
08-08-2005, 12:48 AM
i dont know if there is anything we can or will do and even if there is, its gonna be a battle

dirtydan
08-08-2005, 08:42 AM
You folks are more than welcome.

My job is to try and keep you informed so you can formulate your own opinion.

Then we can toss it around here 8)

I don't think the articles you posted permit people to form an opinion. The articles are advocacy pieces.

Before you point the finger for "causing" fish kills - take a look at the big picture. For example, Atlantic Salmon used to be found in rivers as far south as New York. The southern most boundary of the populations are now restricted to Maine rivers. Many of these rivers in Maine have NO DAMS - yet the Salmon populations over the past few decades have declined at least ten-fold. Why? No one knows. Some believe that effluent discharges, which contain PCB's, are having a significnat impact on the population. I have also read that less than 1 tenth of one-percent of Salmon smolt, in certain Maine rivers, are making it out to sea. Why? Some believe "acid rain" could be having an effect on the ability of the Salmon smolt to adjust from fresh to salt water. Tracking results showed that most smolt were lost right at the freshwater/saltwater barrier.

Atlantic Salmon are also found (on the other side of the lake) as far south as Spain. Norway has a substantial Salmon farming industry - which is again having a negative impact on the wild Salmon. There, some Salmon farming occurs on pens separated from the Rivers by a chain link fence (this is also true with Salmon pens between Maine and New Brunswick). Parasites found on farmed Salmon are easily transferred to wild Salmon - which substnaitally lessens their chances for survival. There's also a huge problem with Salmon escaping from these farms. The farmed Salmon - a much weaker specimen - compete with wild Salmon for food. The farmed Salmon are less well-develped compared to their wild counterparts - inferior fins, etc, from being farm raised. This appears to weaken the overall population - contributing to the overall decline of the speices. Predation by seals is also thought by some to be a significant factor impacting recovery - this threat to Salmon populations is even more significant where the seals are protected by the federal and various state endangered species acts. As we all know - seals head for the very estuary where Salmon migrate - where the seals are protected - they can't even be removed - let alone eliminated. I was in Monterey this weekend and was talking with a couple of fishermen who had just come in - one had only 1 Salmon - he had lost two to the same sea lion - that had been following his boat all day.

That said - I'm not saying diversions or flow reductions do not increase stress on Salmon populations - I'm just saying that people should be informed and not hop on the bandwagon to blame the 'cause du jour.' There are serious issues surrounding population declines and information on what may be leading to the cause is not found in short-sighted pieces of political propaganda.

randyfishing
08-08-2005, 11:48 AM
dirtydan's first comment hits it on the head,look at the big picture. The decline of Pacific and Atlantic salmon has a thousand year history of human invasion, greed and mismanagement. The cause of the effects we are seeing now here in the Northwest started back when Lewis and Clark came over the hill. :-/

randyfishing
08-08-2005, 11:55 AM
For your reading pleasure.

http://print.google.com/print?id=ATmR1BYAQF4C&dq=king+of+fish&oi=print&pg= PA1&sig=dJjaTFq2xmpxquJpzVnMvOn04w4&prev=http://www.google.com/search%3Fhl%3Den%26q%3Dking%2Bof%2Bfish%26btnG%3DG oogle%2BSearch

Read it and weep :'(